Least Necessary Boutique Reboot Possible

[Jwar]

Anything "vintage". Vintage to me equals boring as fuck. I've NEVER been interested in vintage shit. Especially when I builder clones a vintage circuit to the T and tries to make it look the same as the original. How fucking boring and lame.

Curious, if you have a pedal today that you really like, and if you still had it several years down the line to the point where it was considered vintage do you think you would still like the pedal? If not, do you think it is because your taste changed or simply because it became "vintage" which is something you inherently hate?

I know this is a bit of an odd question especially since you sometimes flip pedals before you even receive them in the mail, but I am genuinely curious about stuff like this.

Ah come on! I don't flip them before I get them! Ok, maybe twice, or three times? Fuck who knows. hahaha

That's a very, very valid point. And I totally agree with what you're pointing out.

Me personally though, as the years go on and things progress, I'll upgrade or switch out everything. Regardless of what I love now. Why? Because new and more innovative things are built all the time. Sure you can't re-invent the wheel, but you can sure improve the hell out of it.

For example. The TAFM. I like the newer version because to me they have been tweaked over the years for the better. Does that mean the old ones are horrible? No, but I certainly wouldn't want one anymore with a new on the market.

I've NEVER been a vintage guy. Not for cars, books, movies or anything thing. I like advances and new things. I'm a whore. A total whore.

Another example is Vintage instruments. I've owned 70's, 80's, 90 and 2000's basses. I fucking HATE the 70's instruments. They play and sound like shit IMO. Same with the 80's minus a few select brands. The 90 were good, the 2000's are even better.

Maybe I'm just a weird person? I don't know.

[Ugly Nora]

I've NEVER been a vintage guy. Not for cars, books, movies or anything thing. I like advances and new things. I'm a whore. A total whore.

Do you like MILF's?

[Jwar]

I've NEVER been a vintage guy. Not for cars, books, movies or anything thing. I like advances and new things. I'm a whore. A total whore.

Do you like MILF's?

hahahahaha

I mean my wife and I have three girls, so technically yes.

[DrMabuse]

i think that master power boss pedal is a contender here. would be a funny reissue.

"so u didn't nkow what the old one was for? now you can not know what the new is for either! Boss"

Here's G.E. Smith rocking the vintage version:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ie8KIjGXKgA&t=7m42s[/youtube]
Bonus PedalPr0n: the Boss CE-2 Hall and Oates bought in 1982, still on his board 30 years later. I predict the defining motif of post-apocalyptic rock will be ancient Peavey guitars run through ancient Boss Chorus pedals by cockroaches.

[rfurtkamp]

Curious, if you have a pedal today that you really like, and if you still had it several years down the line to the point where it was considered vintage do you think you would still like the pedal? If not, do you think it is because your taste changed or simply because it became "vintage" which is something you inherently hate?

Had that quandary myself at several points in the last 20 years - nobody wanted Space Echoes, especially the weird ones (301/501s were the ugly ducklings from hell at one point, you couldn't give them away). Then they kept getting up there in price, and when I needed one again to see if it was still my sound a few years back...they were just starting to really, really take off. I got *very* lucky on my 150, and got it for $75ish more than a RE-20 pedal and ran to the hills - but rebuying was a lot easier *because* of the vintage market..if I didn't love it, I could flip it very, very fast. Didn't happen, I plugged in and instantly remembered why I lugged the thing around for so damn long.

But on other stuff, I'm just not willing to pay what the market bears, no matter how much I used to like it (and probably because it was cheap and works, remove one half of that equation and I"m not interested!).

Some of my favorite beaters of yore are now "vintage" by the 20-year standard of the marketplace, even if I find the idea of a "Vintage" MIM Fender to be laughable in the extreme, but I still find the idea of a desirable Hondo II collector's marketplace.....equally funny, I guess.

It all depends on vintage gear whether it's got something special that newer stuff may be missing has versus the actual cost of the item. I could care less if it's made yesterday if it sounds right - I will almost always buy a RI of something if it's done right over an older unit of uncertain lifespan/future.

[Iommic Pope]

Tubescreamer.

Don't let pope hear you say that. But yeah I tend to agree with you about that.

Hang on, what?
I've defended the practical uses of tubescreamers in the past, true, but I wouldn't say I'm all about this whole market of boutique takes on that circuit and the exorbitant pricing schema asociated with it. It's asshattery, to say the least.
I still think that stock TSs are overpriced.

If you were to accuse me of being over zealous about the Colorsound Overdriver circuit, and variations thereof (particularly those that are black. Totally black. Are made by BAT....) then, yes, you'd have my number.

I'd have to nominate synth wahs as my least desirable boutique reboot.
I fucking hate them.

[KaosCill8r]

Tubescreamer.

Don't let pope hear you say that. But yeah I tend to agree with you about that.

Hang on, what?
I've defended the practical uses of tubescreamers in the past, true, but I wouldn't say I'm all about this whole market of boutique takes on that circuit and the exorbitant pricing schema asociated with it. It's asshattery, to say the least.
I still think that stock TSs are overpriced.

If you were to accuse me of being over zealous about the Colorsound Overdriver circuit, and variations thereof (particularly those that are black. Totally black. Are made by BAT....) then, yes, you'd have my number.

I'd have to nominate synth wahs as my least desirable boutique reboot.
I fucking hate them.

The Colorsound Overdriver has been intriguing me for a while. Might have to be one of my next clone builds.

[D.o.S.]

Maybe I'm just a weird person? I don't know.

It's not that you're weird, it's that you're wrong.

It all depends on vintage gear whether it's got something special that newer stuff may be missing has versus the actual cost of the item. I could care less if it's made yesterday if it sounds right - I will almost always buy a RI of something if it's done right over an older unit of uncertain lifespan/future.

This is exactly how I feel about it.

[Jwar]

Maybe I'm just a weird person? I don't know.

It's not that you're weird, it's that you're wrong.

Dude! I just don't like old shit! Redoing old circuits is fine as long as they are improving them.

For instance a lot of "vintage" effects either run on a fucking 9v or have some dumb power cord permanently affixed to it. That shit is archaic. 9v's ought to be a thing of the past and those supplies aren't even properly rated. LOL. Fuck all that noise.

Plus people like to charge a premium for "this has vintage mojo". Give me a break. You fucking muff or tubescreamer is not unique or better sounding because it's old. It's out of date and should be put in a bin somewhere.

This is how I feel at least. I respect the old stuff for being innovative at the time, but I'm one of those people that believe digital is the future.

[Dr. Sherman Sticks M.D.]

its too bad that most of the digital focus is on recreating old shit, and not on exploring the untapped depths of the digital world.

[Jwar]

its too bad that most of the digital focus is on recreating old shit, and not on exploring the untapped depths of the digital world.

Agreed.

[D.o.S.]

Maybe I'm just a weird person? I don't know.

It's not that you're weird, it's that you're wrong.

Dude! I just don't like old shit! Redoing old circuits is fine as long as they are improving them.

For instance a lot of "vintage" effects either run on a fucking 9v or have some dumb power cord permanently affixed to it. That shit is archaic. 9v's ought to be a thing of the past and those supplies aren't even properly rated. LOL. Fuck all that noise.

Plus people like to charge a premium for "this has vintage mojo". Give me a break. You fucking muff or tubescreamer is not unique or better sounding because it's old. It's out of date and should be put in a bin somewhere.

This is how I feel at least. I respect the old stuff for being innovative at the time, but I'm one of those people that believe digital is the future.

Ahem.

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[ChetMagongalo]

Boutique a dumb adjective. I don't think that word has any real meaning

[hbombgraphics]

Boutique a dumb adjective. I don't think that word has any real meaning

agreed, it means nothing.

Plus it makes a weird distinction because small builders grow and then we have to un-boutique them,
Gotta punish em for being successful

[KaosCill8r]

Boutique a dumb adjective. I don't think that word has any real meaning

agreed, it means nothing.

Plus it makes a weird distinction because small builders grow and then we have to un-boutique them,
Gotta punish em for being successful

We call that tall poppy syndrome. Any poppy that grows too tall gets cut down.
I agree with not calling pedals boutique. I just put them in 2 classes. Hand made and mass produced. As long as a human being is starting and finishing that pedal themselves its handmade. If it runs on some kind of line they are mass produced by trained monkeys, lobotomised humans or machines.