DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

General Gear Discussion - effects, synths, etc.

Moderator: Ghost Hip

frigid midget
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by frigid midget »

fcknoise wrote:For that I would look at a PS-2 or a PS-3 perhaps. I mean, I need to suggest timebender here because it does all of that the best, but it has the shitty power requirements and it def is not set and forget. It does too much for that. People also compain that the repeats are too quite and have a volume drop.

FX-loops has always intrigued me, but whenever I've had the chance to actually use one I've found it pretty annoying to deal with. But that is probably because why and what effect would i put in the loop of the eventide space? it does everything already. Same with timebender, I don't need to try a delay with some stuff in its loop. That said, I can totally see the point in having like a multi-mod effect in the loop of something. It makes sense.
Not sure if the PS2 is anything like the PS3, but the georgious mode 7 had one particular glitchy reverse setting with no control over any of the other parameters.

I tried a timebender for while, the vol drop and quiet repeats were indeed what made it unuesable for me. A real shame, such a powerful and versatile pedal otherwhise. I also remember the tone control just seemed to roll of the highs, instead of really messing with the amount of degradation, in a more natural way, like it works on most modern digital delays. Plus the different analog modes were really unimpressing compared to today's competition, the different tape and analog modes sounded nearly identical. That's all nitpicky for a feature packed machine (strum pattern delay, picth shifting, stereo, exp.pedal in,...) in that price range though, if it weren't for the loudness of the repeats and maybe the meh reverse mode, I'd still be using it.
frigid midget
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by frigid midget »

vidret wrote:
fcknoise wrote:
vidret wrote:rant
This man had an el cap and sold it because he thought it made him sound too good. Like activating cheats on his guitar tone. Well it goes to show, I kinda blow at guitar and he is a riff machine so
it's more like at the end of memento
NSFW: show
where if i find the perfect tone then what the fuck am i gonna do? so i'll sell it and keep hunting :lol:
frigid midget wrote:Ok, so assuming I'll go with the El Cap for the tape and backround ambient tasks, or at least when my DE7 falls apart a little more.

Now what to do for reverse delays, or something that adds textures or dreamy/creepy artifats on the repeats? DD5, Canyon, Obscura,..They've got actual useable reverse modes, and aren't as eleborate/pricey as the CB/RP delays :idk: Not as unique either I guess, but I'm more of a set and forget kinda guy, and I like I said, something like a CB Thermae would be overkill.

And where are you guys on fx loops in delay peds? Spend a little extra to get a nice delay with the right modulation option(s) build in, not keeping one of your favorite modulation/picth/whtvr pedals hostage in that fx loop, and not limiting your pedal choice to the fx equiped delays out there?

Srry, slightly derailing the subject here. I'm almost there :)
maybe try that new EHX canyon thing, it seems to have most of it and the interface ain't too bad. ask someone to redo the finish because ofc it's ugly af, it's EHX.

regarding fx loops: it's funner on less extreme pedals. like fcknoise already said, what's the fun in putting something in the fx loop of an eventide box, it's already everything; way funner to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow kind of thing.

but yeah tbh it's a bit annoying to hide away something cool in the loop constantly, if I was to commit to that idea i'd get a really cheap multibox (like the zoom ones?) to keep in there constantly. I like the option of FX loop for going deeper into a weird idea, but usually i just want some sensible modulation.
I know, it's lame, but I tried to keep the Canyon my last option because of the hideous and ehx-like enclosure. Hard to ignore for that kinda money though.

One approach, though not convinced just yet:

- DE7 + EHX Canyon for all things ambient/analog as well as revers/octave/shimmer. The tap tempo on the canyon seems okay'ish :idk:
- SD Vapor Trail with a Zoom CDR70 in its loop for everything else.

Avalanche Run has caught my eye the day it came out, but eqd is just a bit overpriced imo, at least here in the EU. The AR is cool, but impo it shouldn't cost more than a Nemesis or any of the Red Panda delays. Come to think of it, a used Nemesis would pair nicely with the DE7, probably wouldn't miss the fx loop trickery, and I'm assuming the algorythms would be overal better sounding than on the fugly ehx unit...Right? Nervous about editing settings in the Neuro app though, that sorta thing is really off putting to me.

Edit: strongly leaning towards the Nemesis at the moment. The Zoom CDR70 in the loop of a SD Vapor Trail, as a poor man's Nemesis...wouldn't cost a whole lot less, so might as well hunt down a Nemesis. Checked out the Neuro app, looks pretty straight forward.
Last edited by frigid midget on Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
MechaGodzilla
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2447
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:19 am

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by MechaGodzilla »

D.o.S. wrote:
fcknoise wrote:
MechaGodzilla wrote:the oscillation sounds on the avalanche run are wank
wank? like wanking in the comfort of you own home (good) or wanking on a full morning commute bus (bad)?
Bad wank
yep! :animal:
User avatar
weebles
experienced
experienced
Posts: 761
Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:32 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by weebles »

Eivind August wrote:Maybe not the most exciting suggestion, but doesn't the EQD Avalanche Run do everything you mention?
Reverse setting on the Avalanche Run isn't anything like reverse delay on a DD-5, or even a Nemesis. I had a Nemesis for a while, and thought all the sounds were *fine*, but nothing really stood out on it, even with all the tweakability.

DD-5 has the best reverse delay out there in terms of sound, availability, and price IMO. It also pairs really well with an El Cap. That pair would also give you two loopers to mess with.

That being said, just to throw another option out there: you can conceivably do everything you want aside from analog with a Chase Bliss Mood. It has really nice reverse delay on the Old Blood delay side. You can use the Drolo side as a sort of freeze. The reverb on the Mood is also pretty good, and has some tricks and can be dialed in to give you that same sort of edge-of-oscillation feel.
frigid midget
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by frigid midget »

vidret wrote:Nemesis does look like a good alternative, I’m not sold on the looks of it but next to the canyon it’s absolutely stunning.
Couldn't agree more. More sounds, slightly less ugly. Bought'd.
Pricey mahfakka, but still nearly half of what one of them fancy Chase Bliss boxes would set me back.
frigid midget
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by frigid midget »

weebles wrote:
Eivind August wrote:Maybe not the most exciting suggestion, but doesn't the EQD Avalanche Run do everything you mention?
Reverse setting on the Avalanche Run isn't anything like reverse delay on a DD-5, or even a Nemesis. I had a Nemesis for a while, and thought all the sounds were *fine*, but nothing really stood out on it, even with all the tweakability.

DD-5 has the best reverse delay out there in terms of sound, availability, and price IMO. It also pairs really well with an El Cap. That pair would also give you two loopers to mess with.

That being said, just to throw another option out there: you can conceivably do everything you want aside from analog with a Chase Bliss Mood. It has really nice reverse delay on the Old Blood delay side. You can use the Drolo side as a sort of freeze. The reverb on the Mood is also pretty good, and has some tricks and can be dialed in to give you that same sort of edge-of-oscillation feel.
The reverse mode on the DD-5 is the shit. But 70ish Euro to get me another DD-5 just for that one mode...seems a bit stupid. Hoping the Nemesis will get me by and that the "neuro app" doesn't annoy the fuck outa me. Bought it used for a flippable price, so we'll see :idk:

Regardless, I'm jumping on the first good deal for a CB Mood, if one ever crosses my path.
User avatar
goldrausch
uncommitted
uncommitted
Posts: 6
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:01 am

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by goldrausch »

To me this sounds like a job for the Fairfield Meet Maude. It has a switchable compression effect for the repeats (so the oscillation is kept under control) as well as some glorious random modulation.
User avatar
goldrausch
uncommitted
uncommitted
Posts: 6
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:01 am

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by goldrausch »

Oh yes - I've been loving it since I got it four years ago.
frigid midget
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by frigid midget »

Meet Maude, 80tape...solid suggestions, definatelly gonna have to keep those in mind in case I don't bond with the Nemesis. Which I plan to give a fair shot, it's just that it's not what I was originally aiming for. Might lack a bit of character, I might tweak one or two settings and never mess with the zillions of bread and butter type delay modes...

Both the MM and 80tape are close to impossible to find on the local(ish) used market though. I'm not opposed to buying new if it's worth it, but if I'm spending more than 300Euro on a pedal, I might as well consider the CB Mood or Thermae too.
User avatar
whoismarykelly
FAMOUS
FAMOUS
Posts: 1900
Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:25 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by whoismarykelly »

The In Limbo keeps the oscillation reasonably in check.

The DE7 sounds like it does because there are diodes to clip the oscillation if it gets too loud and that keeps it from rising in volume until it hits the headroom limit. The Skreddy Echo also does this IIRC.
frigid midget
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by frigid midget »

Yeah, the Ibanez ES-2 does a similar thing. You can flick a switch to either control the oscillation, or to let it go haywire. Sold mine because that was all I used it for :idk:
User avatar
K2000
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 1482
Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:35 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by K2000 »

There are already smaller and less expensive suggestions, but a vintage EHX Memory Man was great at creating a luscious bed of almost infinite background repeats, when my friend let me try his. It was one with Chorus/Vibrato knob if I recall, maybe an 80s one.
frigid midget
IAMILF
IAMILF
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Re: DE7 replacement? Controlled oscillation options?

Post by frigid midget »

Thnks a bunch for the suggestions...Nearly all of those vintage and booteek recommendations were/are completely non-existant on the european used market. Still keeping my eyes open, but for the time being I'm having tons of fun with the Nemesis + Slö combo I just acquired :)
Last edited by frigid midget on Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:27 am, edited 1 time in total.
Post Reply