Weird Pedals and the stereo field

[Christophe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRY2t4-hfhw&t=417s
(sorry I can't seem to embed properly....)

Saw this in the Pedalboards of the Stars thread... Oliver shows what he calls the "space divider". I believe he just built one for himself (or maybe there's a couple out there in the wild? DBA hoarders what do you say?). That's a stereo pedal with two channels/two footswitches; the left footswith only affects the left output, and vice versa. What a cool idea!

I'm sure someone has done that before (or after), and there must be a couple of oddball pedals with that feature, somewhere...
Or are there?

[qersty]

Hexe No7?

[Christophe]

Hexe No7?

mmm.. that's something else I guess. The space divider is really a double pedal. Like having an echo dream on the left channel and another echo dream on the right channel with different settings. Well you can do that with two pedals of course, but I think having that workflow in one single pedal takes you to different places?

[Christophe]

So I've been doing an extensive search on the internets and found nothing + no feedback here... So I guess nobody ventured into that 2-independant-pedals-into-one territory.... You can dial in 2 different delays with the Echosystem, but that's not it, it still sounds as a global sound, different from going crazy on each channel separately. Maybe this could be an interesting 100-unit-custom job for the next DBA pedal...

[alexsga]

this sounds like a similar feature set to a Boss LS-2, no?

[manymanyhaha]

So I've been doing an extensive search on the internets and found nothing + no feedback here... So I guess nobody ventured into that 2-independant-pedals-into-one territory.... You can dial in 2 different delays with the Echosystem, but that's not it, it still sounds as a global sound, different from going crazy on each channel separately. Maybe this could be an interesting 100-unit-custom job for the next DBA pedal...

I do this with pedal pairs sometimes. Right now I have a pair of Realizers and a pair of Mini-Glitches that are basically acting like a dual mono pedal with separate controls.

[Christophe]

A dual mono pedal with different fx would be great. Like a delay on the left and a filter on the right. Maybe they share only one control, something that randomizes the settings on both sides...

[manymanyhaha]

There have been some that have come along. Want to say Retro Mechanical Labs did this at some point with a couple of their circuits. There was that amazing VFE mega-pedal that had like 15 or so effects with as many routing options that could be fit in. Couldn't afford one at the time, wish I had one now.

I think part of the problem is width of PCB boards, size of knobs, jacks, etc. Actually, don't really know cause don't build pedals since I'm a fucking idiot apparently. But in a good way I hope

But seriously, I've long given favor to dual mono effects. Love stereo, love the bending of the ears and you are correct. No attention so far to dual mono pedals that keep their paths, share some controls but keep others separate. Have thought about this too, a lot.

[Christophe]

There have been some that have come along.
But seriously, I've long given favor to dual mono effects. Love stereo, love the bending of the ears and you are correct. No attention so far to dual mono pedals that keep their paths, share some controls but keep others separate. Have thought about this too, a lot.

Yep. I guess it’s too niche? But then again, there are so many niche pedals right now... even something like a dual mono kill kill filter, or a fuzz could be great. Something like a “more” pedal. Just when you think you’ve reached total fuzz chaos, you actually still have the dual mono pedal to hit another level.

[manymanyhaha]

Well, there is something to be said for mono and I have begun embracing starting mixes with everything in the center and moving stuff to stereo as the mix gels.

But stereo, and quad for that matter, have their pleasures of course. Even though the ears are stereo, quad is great because a slight turning of the head creates a different mix, often without the listener realizing it. Even if the right side (and left too) is simply cloned to front and back speakers, if the speakers are different and their placement is a bit different, it will sound different as the head moves. It's one of the things that makes playing with headphones a little less enjoyable to me.

Actually, the Echosystem, you can treat as a dual mono pedal with similar but different controls. It must be set to left/right, select the same delay for both sides, and then go back and forth and manipulate the controls for each. If you want a setting to be the same for both, the encoders aren't detented but you can get pretty close. The Ventris was supposed to allow this too but I didn't have any luck with it.

[Christophe]

I've stumbled upon the stereo panneur, by 4MS... Have you heard of these guys?
So it's not two completely independant channels yet, it's a trem and you can sync both sides or use them independantly.
https://4mscompany.com/panneur.php

A solution could be to rehouse 2 Mooer pedals into one single Pulsar-sized enclosure with seperate ins and outs.

By the way while searching about this, I've seen vids from Lefa pedals, quite sick stuff. I don't remember reading about it here?

[manymanyhaha]

4ms have been around for awhile, I wanted to buy a Panneur like 15 years ago, don't remember why I didn't. They may have been only in kits back then. And the format is quite large. Along those lines a little bit is the Luma Trueno. I have one that I have not had a chance to play much with. I guess not really the same thing since all of the controls are for both sides.

Modern life is logging into a worldwide forum and finding out about a builder not even 2 miles from your house. Have not heard of Lefa before but if that video on the front page of their website is to be believed, they are just around the corner so to speak.

Other dual mono pedals I have on my board (but have same controls for both sides so not really what we are talking about but........)

EHX Mod Rex
Meris Enzo
Meris Polymoon
Erica Acidbox III
Empress Reverb

Have yet to dive into: EHX Oceans 12. 3degrees Aucio Bygones V2 is incoming.

Again, all of these pedals have same controls for both sides but I usually find ways to create a difference between left and right sides, like have the electric pickup on the right side and the piezo bridge pickup on the left.

[Christophe]

Other dual mono pedals I have on my board (but have same controls for both sides so not really what we are talking about but........)

EHX Mod Rex
Meris Enzo
Meris Polymoon
Erica Acidbox III
Empress Reverb

Have yet to dive into: EHX Oceans 12. 3degrees Aucio Bygones V2 is incoming.

Again, all of these pedals have same controls for both sides but I usually find ways to create a difference between left and right sides, like have the electric pickup on the right side and the piezo bridge pickup on the left.

Yes. Always nice to have different sounds on each channel, but like you said, you don't get independant sides. I'm achieving this by using some pedals after the AB pedal, only on one side. What I liked in the video about Oliver Ackermann's board is the instantaneous, brutal change of the sound by engaging only one channel. I understand it's not a major breakthrough, and I don't know whether a lot of players would be interested in that, but it sure would be fun to have one odd pedal like this, something that feels like a "reset"; you just step on it and the whole picture changes brutally, you're not playing with the same core sound anymore...

[Warpsmasher]

Hah, leave it to this guy to make Metal Zones cool...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxRe99Tjlwg[/youtube]
Apparently the (totally obvious) secret is to put it in the loop with a gate, so basically it was always meant to be a preamp only.
Front of the amp=noobmistake=internet reputation gone awry. I don't know, recently I've come to the conclusion that any dirt pedal sounding like shit is user error, and all it takes is putting it through the right cab, the right way.

I got a Tom'sline Shaper (Tech 21/AMT style cab sim thingy) to L/R with the Mooer Radar, which is IMO the best bang for the buck in IR loader/cab sim pedals. Now I'm using my Digitech RP360 multi-fx as an aby/splitter with built in everything, and trying some cool new tricks. The EVH dual amp/stereo sound is all the rage right now (as evidenced by the Eventide Micropitch), and I've been finding lots of cool variations and tweaks for that, using the RP's ridiculously thick stereo multichorus, pingpong delay, vibropan, etc, all in front of two L/R micro rigs, which are just dirt chains of choice into one of each cab sim pedal.
This leaves me with a leftover array of amp and cab sims in my multi-fx, which is now my ABY box.
Turns out, an extra cab sim between two drive stages can be some reeeally special kind of shit, almost like cocked wah type filtering with other frequency cuts and boosts, and lots of different notch ranges, affecting pick attack, dynamics, headroom and everything. If you have a way to try some of this, it's fucking rad.

Of course these little faux rigs are not going to be complete without their own reverb tanks, so I also got a Mosky Spring Reverb (quite obviously a Malekko Omicron rip, fuck it man it was 18 bucks), and, since I am gonna be needing at least one of them to be something a bit more my style:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpuNWeDFmq4[/youtube]

Now of course this begs the direct recording question: verbs and delays before or after the cab sims? And that just depends on how clean you want them to be, and whether you want them to sound like they are coming out of the speaker, or reverberating around it.

[manymanyhaha]

Turns out, an extra cab sim between two drive stages can be some reeeally special kind of shit, almost like cocked wah type filtering with other frequency cuts and boosts, and lots of different notch ranges, affecting pick attack, dynamics, headroom and everything. If you have a way to try some of this, it's fucking rad.
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I was working on a mix earlier this year and just threw Audiothing Speaker on a guitar part as a mistake and immediately it MADE it work. Because of the lofi speaker/mic combos you can get with it, it starts to act similar to what you describe. Now it is the first thing I try if I don't like something and if I want to split a guitar into stereo, is a great way to spread it out a bit, putting one lofi speaker on one side and a different one (or not at all) on another.