Amp mic'ing tutoral 101?

[Ghost Hip]

[Nychthemeron]

Not enough mic-age there. Add some more condensers and a ribbon mic just to be sure.

[my bloody television]

oh phew, for a second there I thought they didn't have the side of the cabinet mic'd

[dragline]

actually, I can understand why that would be done - each mic is pointing to a different part of the speaker, and each speaker has different mics on them, so you're going to get an array of different sounds. If a band is unsure what sound they are after, then this is one solution an engineer could take. When my old band went into the studio to record our first demo, our engineer did a similar thing, only with the drum kit. In total I think he used about 14 mics on it, but in the final mix only used about 5 of those tracks. Just gave us more choice.

Fucking sm57s though, blech.

[aen]

Fucking sm57s though, blech.

Thats the only mic I've had the oppourtunity to use that got consistent decent results for electric guitar.

[htsamurai]

i highly reccomend the MCL package with the 990 and 991
they dont really compare to neumanns ofcourse but for the price there is nothing better, id but them individually with some mics in the $200-$400 price range

[dragline]

Fucking sm57s though, blech.

Thats the only mic I've had the oppourtunity to use that got consistent decent results for electric guitar.

Yeah me too

I was being...uhm...facetious, or uhm..something

[bigchiefbc]

Anyone here have any experience mic'ing up bass cabs? I've used and liked SM57s for guitar, but I tried them on my bass cab once and I felt it was losing a little bit of the taint-rumble, ya know? Is there a mic that doesn't cost a ton that has a better low-low-low-end response?

<rant> PS - I fucking hate DIs and wish soundguys didn't always insist on DI'ing bass. Why the fuck is it ok to make the bass DI, but the guitarist still gets to mic his amp? DI'd bass sounds nothing like bass through a proper amp and cab. </rant>

[my bloody television]

I've seen people use bass drum mics, like the beta 52, on bass cabs before...maybe a beta 52 and an sm57 for a FuLl ToNaL rAnGe

The beta 52s are a bit more expensive than an sm57 ($189?) but it'll be a mic with better low end response.

[bigchiefbc]

I've seen people use bass drum mics, like the beta 52, on bass cabs before...maybe a beta 52 and an sm57 for a FuLl ToNaL rAnGe

The beta 52s are a bit more expensive than an sm57 ($189?) but it'll be a mic with better low end response.

That's what I was looking for, thanks. That's actually perfect, because I could use the beta 52 on my 15" and an sm57 on my 2x10"

[my bloody television]

Lesson learned in the end.... I like amp modeling.

totally agree, when I'm in a pinch and want to record an idea without fussing with mics I LOVE amp modelling.

but even so, I really do enjoy when I have the time and resources to mic an amp. Even one sm57 mic'd slightly off center can be more satisfying to me than modelling at times.

[Derelict78]

I've seen people use bass drum mics, like the beta 52, on bass cabs before...maybe a beta 52 and an sm57 for a FuLl ToNaL rAnGe

The beta 52s are a bit more expensive than an sm57 ($189?) but it'll be a mic with better low end response.

That's what I was looking for, thanks. That's actually perfect, because I could use the beta 52 on my 15" and an sm57 on my 2x10"

That is what I do. I have almost thrown down with engineers over micing my cab. I use a beta52, SM57 and DI but they always think that the mics are uncalled for and I agree if I wasn't using tons of effects but when you run a fuzzy bass direct into the board it sounds weak. All my shit is tuned to sound good coming out of my cab not going direct.

[Derelict78]

Lesson learned in the end.... I like amp modeling.

I like the hands on micing just because you may end up with an amassing tone by accident were as with amp modeling there is no accidents.

[metalmariachi]

Anyone here have any experience mic'ing up bass cabs? I've used and liked SM57s for guitar, but I tried them on my bass cab once and I felt it was losing a little bit of the taint-rumble, ya know? Is there a mic that doesn't cost a ton that has a better low-low-low-end response?

<rant> PS - I fucking hate DIs and wish soundguys didn't always insist on DI'ing bass. Why the fuck is it ok to make the bass DI, but the guitarist still gets to mic his amp? DI'd bass sounds nothing like bass through a proper amp and cab. </rant>

I run a Sennheiser e902 kick mic and a CAD snare mic; I am going to add a Sennheiser e906 instrument mic down the road.

The Sennheiser has a better frequency response than the Beta 52, and the difference is noticeable when recording. Same can be said for the e906 compared to the SM57.

But the 57 can be used for vocals and a hammer if needed.

I don’t like DI, you get the sound guys sound not yours, I prefer using mics.
Now finding a sound guy that knows what he’s doing make take a bit of searching.

I think it really boils down to sound, dynamics and feel. DI and modeling just doesn’t have the dynamics and feel or interaction that an amp does.


Oh on an open back cabinet like say a champ run 2 mics one on axis in front and one in the back of the cabinet makes for a very nice full sound.

MM

[ohsojayadeva]

some of the best bass tones i have ever heard in my life were recorded with a Sansamp Bass Driver direct to the board. that said i don't see any reason not to go direct and record amp tones. best of both worlds right?

i like amp modeling for guitar OK, depending on what you're using. i'm pretty happy with NI guitar rig... really there are tons of different tones that are harder to do when using a mic'ed amp... but i do infinitely prefer the mic'ed amps for the mic'ed amp sound.