GOTH

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Is anybody still doing this stuff?

[neonblack]

Beyonce is on that bayou goth game

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wat the fuk ilf

[Mudfuzz]

wat the fuk ilf

Ah! so you notched?

[D.o.S.]

I feel like goth is an eyeliner shade, not a musical style.

[Blackened Soul]

If you go to your local hot topic and ask a random employee they can tell you the names of some new bands that call themselfs goth and buy your self a official batcave t-shirt, I cannot be totally sure though since I have not been in a mall in over 3 years.

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cannot be totally sure though since I have not been in a mall in over 3 years.

Skeptical.

[kaeth]

I think goth was a movement, and it's long over. Like if you missed the No-Wave train in New York in '77, you're not really No-Wave. If you weren't on Industrial Records, you're not really industrial. It had more to do with who and where than what you sounded like.

There were the precursors like Bauhaus and Siouxsie who brought about the Batcave bands in London. Then there was Deathrock stateside with Christian Death and 45 Grave. Then the term starts getting thrown around with Sisters of Mercy and This Mortal Coil and then who really gives a shit? By the time goth was a word that anyone knew, the best of it was over.

There are still bands that sound like those early bands, but is that something you want to hear 30-some-odd years later? The bands that still exist and call themselves goth are mostly really bad, or tired, or both. I guess what I'm saying is that since it's over, it's cemented itself as a paradigm. If you deviate from the paradigm, you're no longer goth - you're something else. If you stay within the paradigm, you're unoriginal. But there are a ton of good bands that have been inspired by Goth or Deathrock bands, but they abandoned that word a long time ago.

I dig some bands like The Horrors, The XX, Young Widows, Chelsea Wolfe that pretty clearly lie in the goth or deathrock lineage somewhere. But I think it would be a pointless argument to say whether they're still "goth" bands or not.

[Iommic Pope]

Health goth or get the fuck out.

[backwardsvoyager]

I think goth was a movement, and it's long over.

yep. no way in hell is anyone gonna jump on that train now and sound the least bit authentic.

just dig for older shit. there's plenty of nice pre-internet stuff that's been unearthed and uploaded over the last decade or so.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7UOIVI342M[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv4zQh3FsRI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVKoTTohKyk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx-q7K5K9BU[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-VlbJ9cME[/youtube]

i have a lot of stuff like this, can post more if people are interested. doesn't seem to get a lot of love in general. most of the goth bands people usually namedrop were either shit or basically one-hit wonders.

[backwardsvoyager]

also spacey: viewtopic.php?f=150&t=50853

[kaeth]

Health goth or get the fuck out.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1D_dOt8ac4[/youtube]

[Blackened Soul]

NSFW: show

I think goth was a movement, and it's long over. Like if you missed the No-Wave train in New York in '77, you're not really No-Wave. If you weren't on Industrial Records, you're not really industrial. It had more to do with who and where than what you sounded like.

There were the precursors like Bauhaus and Siouxsie who brought about the Batcave bands in London. Then there was Deathrock stateside with Christian Death and 45 Grave. Then the term starts getting thrown around with Sisters of Mercy and This Mortal Coil and then who really gives a shit? By the time goth was a word that anyone knew, the best of it was over.

There are still bands that sound like those early bands, but is that something you want to hear 30-some-odd years later? The bands that still exist and call themselves goth are mostly really bad, or tired, or both. I guess what I'm saying is that since it's over, it's cemented itself as a paradigm. If you deviate from the paradigm, you're no longer goth - you're something else. If you stay within the paradigm, you're unoriginal. But there are a ton of good bands that have been inspired by Goth or Deathrock bands, but they abandoned that word a long time ago.

I dig some bands like The Horrors, The XX, Young Widows, Chelsea Wolfe that pretty clearly lie in the goth or deathrock lineage somewhere. But I think it would be a pointless argument to say whether they're still "goth" bands or not.

NSFW: show

I think goth was a movement, and it's long over.

yep. no way in hell is anyone gonna jump on that train now and sound the least bit authentic.

just dig for older shit. there's plenty of nice pre-internet stuff that's been unearthed and uploaded over the last decade or so.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7UOIVI342M[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv4zQh3FsRI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVKoTTohKyk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx-q7K5K9BU[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-VlbJ9cME[/youtube]

i have a lot of stuff like this, can post more if people are interested. doesn't seem to get a lot of love in general. most of the goth bands people usually namedrop were either shit or basically one-hit wonders.

Yarp.

To me the goth subculture is cool and I like a lot of the art and fashion but all the classic bands didn't even like being called goth... I also find deathrock to be about the same as rockibly, punk, blues, jazz ect in that most of the people that subscribe to calling them selves and only playing with-in the boundaries of to keep to the aesthetic stifle creativity because of a set of rules which is not the same as just playing that way because you love to, because if that is the case you would not give a fuck what others thought about the aesthetic of what you are doing. Every band I have heard that called themselves goth or deathrock have always been a derivative of the idealic sound of "classic" bands without the inherent chaos and ideas. You could say the same with a lot of other styles but most of the time the music dictates things more than the subculture label.. I guess you can look at goth the way you would hippies/neohippies/whatever people that wear tie-dye and like jam bands call themselves today. but at least it isn't emo.

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also spacey: viewtopic.php?f=150&t=50853

SON.....viewtopic.php?f=150&t=7864&p=82836#p82836

[Jwar]

Type O Negative? Wait...