DIY Ibanez Standard Fuzz?

[frigid midget]

Haven't diy'd a pedal in ages, but I recently started lusting for an Ibanez Standard Fuzz and AceTone FM-2 type of japanese superfuzz variants. Rather than buying a pricey vintage one or even one of the many afforable nice clones out there, I figured this might be a challenge worthy of my time and sweat:)

I plan to go all out on this one though, even the aesthetics will have to ooze with mojo, even if it'll cost me a nice chunk of cash:)

Haven't looked around very long, the first enclosures and schematic (layout actually) that caught my attention:

http://turretboard.knucklehead.dk/wp-co ... trdfzz.png

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Am I on the right track there? What are my other options for similar super secksy enclosures? And where can one order those small mixer style faders these days? I'm thinking of going with the same exact lay out as the Ibanez Standard Fuzz, though regular pots will be fine if the vintage-y faders turn out to be unobtanium...

Cheers!

[wildebelor]

1st of all, that layout is fine - but if you have a schematic - I would recommend making your own and maybe etching a board because vero can sometimes be a P.I.T.A
Alternatively, I could find a schematic, make a layout on eagle and have it fabbed fairly cheap - if that is something you're interested in, let me know via PM and we can go from there.
Secondly, here is a great slanted style enclosure from a fellow forum member. http://www.effectsenclosures.com
Pretty reasonably priced and very well made!

[eatyourguitar]

you can see from this link that it is similar to the univox super-fuzz
http://www.fredric.co.uk/misc/superfuzz ... _diffs.gif

I did a super fuzz pcb hence I already have %95 of the schematic work done. I could order a 10 pack of PCB's and offer them up cheap if there is enough interest. the benefit would be that you could fit this new standard fuzz pcb in a 1590B. here is a picture of the superfuzz pcb with some extra stuff added. this superfuzz pcb is not for sale sorry.

[LaoWiz]

Eatyourguitar - if you do a run of those I would buy a couple..

Fridge - jmk PCBs also have a standard fuzz board that I have built, sounds quite good.

I could also etch you an og fm2 board. I just scored a real fm2 and I was able to match it quite closely on my last build. If you wanted to build that one I could give you some pointers to get really close to the original FM2.

There's also a dude in eBay that sells superfuzz repro enclosures that are nice.

I need to build a normal superfuzz as I only breadboarded one years ago. All 3 circuits are pretty much identical except for the front end as Eatyourguitar pointed out. But they all sound a tad different.

Until I build a superfuzz again my vote will always go fm2...

[eatyourguitar]

LaoWiz I think this was you posting as "Glops" on DIYstompboxes

I added a switch to go from Germaniums to Silicon(I think) diodes. Don't care for the germs much but overall it's a monster sounding fuzz.

I will take your word for it. I have the ibanez standard fuzz here in schematic. there are lots of cap values I think are kinda strange but I will leave it alone. the only thing I changed was I put two germanium diodes going up and two going down. this would solve the problem of low headroom while leaving the option to mix diodes, use silicon, or just put a jumper in the unused diodes. I have heard that some people stack two diodes one way while having a single diode go the other way for an asymmetrical clip thing. if people don't care for this mod, I will leave it out. I might have to drop it anyway if the pcb gets too big. we shall see.

[LaoWiz]

LaoWiz I think this was you posting as "Glops" on DIYstompboxes

I added a switch to go from Germaniums to Silicon(I think) diodes. Don't care for the germs much but overall it's a monster sounding fuzz.

I will take your word for it. I have the ibanez standard fuzz here in schematic. there are lots of cap values I think are kinda strange but I will leave it alone. the only thing I changed was I put two germanium diodes going up and two going down. this would solve the problem of low headroom while leaving the option to mix diodes, use silicon, or just put a jumper in the unused diodes. I have heard that some people stack two diodes one way while having a single diode go the other way for an asymmetrical clip thing. if people don't care for this mod, I will leave it out. I might have to drop it anyway if the pcb gets too big. we shall see.

Yeah, that was me at DIYstomp. If you can fit the diode stuff, that would be great. The last FM2 I built has a toggle for back to back silicons, or two silicons in series and a silicon the other way for asymmetrical clipping. This sounds great, doesn't sound much different than a back to back pair but there's just a tad bit more output. Not that it necessarily needs more output at all.

If you make boards for these, people at the Madbean forum may be into them. Haven't seen you over there, but in the Member tutorial, etc section there's a bunch of peeps putting out cool fabbed boards and selling em.

[eatyourguitar]

as of right now it looks like everything fits with doubled up GE diodes and a switch to ground. all pots and switches are off board. that sells better I think.

I am a member on madbean forum. I have tried selling my vintage mxr distortion plus plus plus pcb but no takers. I still have them. the price was right. I think some of the other guys have a lot of momentum going with being there longer and having websites. perhaps I should try again, couldn't hurt.

how do you feel about resistor arrays purchased at mouser? specifically a 4 resistor 5 pin SIP bussed 10K. it saves a LOT of space but it might be a deal breaker for some. they are like $0.25 each most likely. if I put two resistor arrays then whoa it really makes it a small pcb and we could put more diodes and switches and stuff. look how small this muff pcb is with resistor arrays. fits in a 1590A!

[LaoWiz]

as of right now it looks like everything fits with doubled up GE diodes and a switch to ground. all pots and switches are off board. that sells better I think.

I am a member on madbean forum. I have tried selling my vintage mxr distortion plus plus plus pcb but no takers. I still have them. the price was right. I think some of the other guys have a lot of momentum going with being there longer and having websites. perhaps I should try again, couldn't hurt.

how do you feel about resistor arrays purchased at mouser? specifically a 4 resistor 5 pin SIP bussed 10K. it saves a LOT of space but it might be a deal breaker for some. they are like $0.25 each most likely. if I put two resistor arrays then whoa it really makes it a small pcb and we could put more diodes and switches and stuff. look how small this muff pcb is with resistor arrays. fits in a 1590A!

Yea,there's kind of an overload of projects over there.

Never tried transistor arrays but have always wanted to. Yea, I think people get scared when thinking about mouser, but provided a link could help.

[eatyourguitar]

you slipped you said transistor arrays, those are cool too. I always provide mouser carts on stuff with small electrolytic caps and resistor arrays. ordering is as simple as clicking the link and paying for it. you said you wanted to try resistor arrays I take that as a thumbs up?

[LaoWiz]

you slipped you said transistor arrays, those are cool too. I always provide mouser carts on stuff with small electrolytic caps and resistor arrays. ordering is as simple as clicking the link and paying for it. you said you wanted to try resistor arrays I take that as a thumbs up?

Oops, yea, meant resistor arrays. I'd say go for it if it makes for a small board. I think people would buy this. Can't think of many prefabbed super fuzz PCB's out there.

I'm really jealous of you guys making fabbed pcbs, have gotten there yet. I just started a new job that gives me access to a brand new mac so I'm looking into PCB software and hitting that curve. You using eagle or something else? I don't mind paying for something as this job is a day just and I'm no longer freelance.

[eatyourguitar]

yes I use eagle. eagle is pretty popular and it is free unless you are a doing this professionally as a full-time job or you need larger pcb's. you can pay $169 for it and gain nothing. you can pay $800 and make larger pcb's. there are many tutorials on youtube, that is how I learned. however what they don't teach you is the art of pcb design. they just teach you software and nothing specific to guitar pedals or the little tricks to getting a good flow. think of it like untangling a knot. in the beginning I used other peoples libraries. gusmarkov, eagle default libs, sparkfun, madbean. I emailed the bean and he gave up the goods that easy what an awesome awesome dude. I make my own parts libraries now and I continue to give them out for free with a hefty disclaimer not my problem check it before you use it. as with all things, practice, some mistakes, time, and passion are key.

[LaoWiz]

yes I use eagle. eagle is pretty popular and it is free unless you are a doing this professionally as a full-time job or you need larger pcb's. you can pay $169 for it and gain nothing. you can pay $800 and make larger pcb's. there are many tutorials on youtube, that is how I learned. however what they don't teach you is the art of pcb design. they just teach you software and nothing specific to guitar pedals or the little tricks to getting a good flow. think of it like untangling a knot. in the beginning I used other peoples libraries. gusmarkov, eagle default libs, sparkfun, madbean. I emailed the bean and he gave up the goods that easy what an awesome awesome dude. I make my own parts libraries now and I continue to give them out for free with a hefty disclaimer not my problem check it before you use it. as with all things, practice, some mistakes, time, and passion are key.

I have eagle but never learned it. It's an old version so I'll get the new one. I've been meaning to slog through those videos but just being lazy. And it really is it's own artwork. Someday I'll come around.

[frigid midget]

Thanks a lot.

Vero is indeed a pita, but I hate etching my own pcb's even more :s

I didn't realise it might be possible to score either an FM-2 or Standard Fuzz pcb online somewhere, I'll definatelly have to look into that. If someone could maybe hook me up, lemme know, I'd really appreciate it.

I'm leaning most towards the Standard Fuzz and the FM2, they seem like some of the nicest ones in the whole family. Besides the FY-6 that is, but I owned and played my share of FY-6 clones already, so I'm looking to get into something else now. If that particular 'something' happens to be a circuit to a pedal that's otherwhise rare and pricey, and -contrary to the the more popular Superfuzz- cannot be easily found from companies like Malekko, BYOC, Creepy Fingers, Wattson,...That that'd be a nice bonus:)

[eatyourguitar]

Thanks a lot.

Vero is ineed a pita, but I hate etching my own pcb's even more :s

I didn't realise it might be possible to score either an FM-2 or Standard Fuzz pcb online somewhere, I'll definatelly have to look into that. If someone could maybe hook me up, lemme know, I'd really appreciate it.

I'm leaning most towards the Standard Fuzz and the FM2, they seem like some of the nicest ones in the whole family. Besides the FY-6 that is, but I owned and played my share of FY-6 clones already, so I'm looking to get into something else now. If that particular 'something' happens to be a circuit to a pedal that's otherwhise rare and pricey, and -contrary to the the more popular Superfuzz- cannot be easily found from companies like Malekko, BYOC, Creepy Fingers, Wattson,...That that'd be a nice bonus:)

if you do find one online. please show me so I can try to do something different. I don't want to build something exactly like something that is out there and do bad business for everybody. I have the wau fuzz and standard fuzz at the beginning stages of pcb. I picked standard fuzz for now unless you really want the FM2 maybe I can switch to that.

I did make two small changes to the standard fuzz. there is a 4K7 + 10K volume drop when bypassing the tone stack, I made this a 25K trimmer to allow precise level matching or whatever to your preference. you can add a footswitch to boost the mids, or you can boost the scoop. you can use a SPTP switch like the original or hardwire it for a simple no switches thing. I will likely have diodes setup for ON-OFF-ON switching both stacked GE and a pair of silicon. asymmetrical still possible. or hardwire the diodes and leave it alone.

[LaoWiz]

there is a 4K7 + 10K volume drop when bypassing the tone stack, I made this a 25K trimmer to allow precise level matching or whatever to your preference.

That's a really good idea, I did something similar to the beebaa, makes it better as the kids always sounded lower in volume.
All those other ideas are good, too.

There's this:

http://jmkpcbs.com/shop/page/3/