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Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:24 pm
by Iommic Pope
So, I want to get a cheapo analogue delay as a stop gap until I get something better, in the distant future, and a lot of the options don't do trails, so I was thinking...
How hard is it to build a parallel type loop that cuts the signal to the loop, but allows the delay/whatever else is in the loop to trail on? (I thought it'd be cool to have it run patches of stuffs, as you would.)

If this is a thread already, point me in the right direction, and apologies.
Also, I can't find a schematic as every thread I dig up about this on the internet seems to confuse people and they just go, "buy a delay with trails". Not helpful.
Also would be cool to stick it in the one box with my true bypass loop.

Any thoughts, oh genius council of ILF?

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:04 am
by John
How about an A/B pedal, with a y-cable out of the delay. Send A to one side of the y-cable, and send B to the delay and then to the other side of the y. Send the joined leg of the y-cable to your amp or whatever's next.

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:12 am
by Iommic Pope
That could be a good solution, cheaper maybe too.
Thanks man.

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:40 am
by AxAxSxS
I'm confused.

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:14 pm
by John
AxAxSxS wrote:I'm confused.

Confused by Pope's question, or by my possible solution?

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:12 am
by Iommic Pope
I know you get it, John, but maybe I wasn't clear enough.

Parallel loops allow the signal to be cut to the pedal, but allow the wet signal from the pedal to trail out, in the case of a delay.
I'm sure Ax knows that, I probably just worded it like shit.
Still toying with the idea of building one, I think a volume/mix control would probably be necessary.

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:32 pm
by Dr Satan
Iommic Pope wrote:Still toying with the idea of building one, I think a volume/mix control would probably be necessary.
And a couple of buffers. Passively mixing those two signals will most likely not work without significant volume loss.

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:45 am
by eatyourguitar
I had this idea a long time ago and Mcspunkle actually invested the time to build it and sell a few. this has been done before. you guys are on the right idea with buffers and unity gain mixers.

http://www.ilovefuzz.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=9571

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:53 am
by Bellyheart
I think loop master still sells one. I know one of the loop pedal people do or did.

Edit: this1smyne.com $25

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:24 am
by Iommic Pope
eatyourguitar wrote:I had this idea a long time ago and Mcspunkle actually invested the time to build it and sell a few. this has been done before. you guys are on the right idea with buffers and unity gain mixers.

http://www.ilovefuzz.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=9571


That looked pretty interesting.

Bellyheart wrote:I think loop master still sells one. I know one of the loop pedal people do or did.

Edit: this1smyne.com $25


Those T1M boxes look perfect...but pricey. The basic TB box starts at $49 and then the trails option is an additional $25. Then I have to add international shipping and a 6-10 week wait period minimum.
I am gonna keep em in mind, but at this stage it might be cheaper to DIY.

Found these:
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(original thread:http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Effects-Pedals-Multi-Effects-and/Bypass-pedal-that-keep-delay-trails/td-p/23891679/page/2
and additional notes by the dude: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=91566.0
clip: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhQF6xgXEws&list=UU38yC66KhcNmk7Iz1v1Sx0w[/youtube])

And this one: Image
(original thread: http://www.tdpri.com/forum/vbseo.php?vbseourl=stomp-box/405882-diy-parallel-fx-switcher-blender.html)
Obviously I don't need two loops. Just joining a TB loop to the second trails loop.

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:07 pm
by spacelordmother
Iommic Pope wrote:Those T1M boxes look perfect...but pricey. The basic TB box starts at $49 and then the trails option is an additional $25. Then I have to add international shipping and a 6-10 week wait period minimum.
I am gonna keep em in mind, but at this stage it might be cheaper to DIY.


If you get it at all. Long story short I got burned by Dan and it took years of emails and finally a complaint with the BBB before I got my money back.

I've nothing to add regarding your trails box (except that it's a cool idea!) but would hate for you to get excited and waste all that time on a headache.

Re: Loop Pedal for delay trails

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:47 pm
by Iommic Pope
spacelordmother wrote:
If you get it at all. Long story short I got burned by Dan and it took years of emails and finally a complaint with the BBB before I got my money back.

I've nothing to add regarding your trails box (except that it's a cool idea!) but would hate for you to get excited and waste all that time on a headache.


Fuck. True.
Thanks for the heads up man. Looks like I won't be doing any of that. :hug: