The False Grail?
Moderator: Ghost Hip
- Rob Fossil
- experienced

- Posts: 501
- Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:36 am
- Location: NorthEast, U.S.A.
The False Grail?
You lusted after it, you watched every demo, you couldn't live without it. But, when you finally got the pedal of your dreams, it just doesn't live up to your expectations. For me, it was the BAT Pharaoh. it was just too noisy and didn't work with my setup. Have any of you ever had this happen? This thread is not intended to bag on any pedal or builder. just to share experiences.
Good B/S/T dealings with: univalve, DannDubbleEwe, Shish, ThePastRecedes, GiAnt_ROboT, chutneyfarmer, Muse FTW, robapov, skullservant, MaxMaps, psychedelicrelic, guitarslinger21, space6oy, theshoegazer, bongoben, osbornkt
- skullservant
- IAMILFFAMOUS

- Posts: 16575
- Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:55 am
Re: The False Grail?
Yep, I've had plenty of those.
Strymon TimeLine: It was cool, but I let it do most of the playing. TimeFactor is so much easier to use.
BAT Sarcophagus: I compared it to my Tall Font and the Tall Font always wins.
Koma BD101: Cool for what it does, just not for me. Looked awesome though.
Snazzy FX Wow and Flutter: Clarinot honestly is more usable.
Infanem Faye Sing: It had some quirks to it I couldn't get over. Although that chrome was sexy. I really liked the expression sweep but the quirks were too much.
Strymon TimeLine: It was cool, but I let it do most of the playing. TimeFactor is so much easier to use.
BAT Sarcophagus: I compared it to my Tall Font and the Tall Font always wins.
Koma BD101: Cool for what it does, just not for me. Looked awesome though.
Snazzy FX Wow and Flutter: Clarinot honestly is more usable.
Infanem Faye Sing: It had some quirks to it I couldn't get over. Although that chrome was sexy. I really liked the expression sweep but the quirks were too much.
- Casavettes
- IAMILF

- Posts: 2771
- Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:36 pm
- Location: nj
Re: The False Grail?
^ could you elaborate on quirks of the infanem? like the decay of the phased sound was too much? always curious about that guy just never got to try it out.
i'm probably going to be crucified for saying this
but for whatever reason i didn't go crazy over the elements
it has a great sound
i guess i was a looking for something more unique? or i suck?
i'm probably going to be crucified for saying this
but for whatever reason i didn't go crazy over the elements
it has a great sound
i guess i was a looking for something more unique? or i suck?
- Rob Fossil
- experienced

- Posts: 501
- Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:36 am
- Location: NorthEast, U.S.A.
Re: The False Grail?
Casavettes wrote:^ could you elaborate on quirks of the infanem? like the decay of the phased sound was too much? always curious about that guy just never got to try it out.
Yeah, I'm interested in this also. I've been gassing for a Faye Sing but have heard mixed reviews.
Good B/S/T dealings with: univalve, DannDubbleEwe, Shish, ThePastRecedes, GiAnt_ROboT, chutneyfarmer, Muse FTW, robapov, skullservant, MaxMaps, psychedelicrelic, guitarslinger21, space6oy, theshoegazer, bongoben, osbornkt
- ryan summit
- Supporter

- Posts: 6197
- Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:11 am
- Location: charlton hestons cold dead hands,exit 21,NY
Re: The False Grail?
everythings been good to me so far
and i aint been in the pedal game too long
but the tonewicker muff was a dissapointment
when i first plugged it in i was wet pantsed
but when i realized that only one setting worked for my setup
and couldnt really dial in what i wanted
i was bummed
inexperience may have had something to do with it
but bummed nonetheless
and i aint been in the pedal game too long
but the tonewicker muff was a dissapointment
when i first plugged it in i was wet pantsed
but when i realized that only one setting worked for my setup
and couldnt really dial in what i wanted
i was bummed
inexperience may have had something to do with it
but bummed nonetheless
- DarkAxel
- IAMILFFAMOUS

- Posts: 8726
- Joined: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:38 pm
- Location: BWARRRRM
Re: The False Grail?
Boss RV-3
I make pedal demos as East Stomp Boutique - http://www.youtube.com/c/eaststompboutique
great deals: Jwar Kayzer Bellyheart wfs1234 bronzetalon Ech0 Scruffie MaxMaps solarolosonoio Schlatte WeHuntKings Monkeydancer Eric! Univalve Huggernaut fuzzmax amorphous Tristan Goroth dan_abnormal Obulus Jrmy BitchPudding beezlebub ianmarks darkfield Abanoise Jskadiang Disarm D'Arcy Snufkino Gerb somethingclever fidget
great deals: Jwar Kayzer Bellyheart wfs1234 bronzetalon Ech0 Scruffie MaxMaps solarolosonoio Schlatte WeHuntKings Monkeydancer Eric! Univalve Huggernaut fuzzmax amorphous Tristan Goroth dan_abnormal Obulus Jrmy BitchPudding beezlebub ianmarks darkfield Abanoise Jskadiang Disarm D'Arcy Snufkino Gerb somethingclever fidget
- MEC
- HERO

- Posts: 4651
- Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:04 pm
- Location: Old North State
Re: The False Grail?
Don't hate the pedal....Hate the game.

http://youthministry.bandcamp.com/
http://remainstheband.bandcamp.com/
Achtane wrote:FUZZ ALL DAY MAN FUZZ IS GOD ALL OTHER EFFECTS ARE SHIT
Caesar wrote:Dude, can you get the fuck out of my b/s/t thread with your bullshit.
PumpkinPieces wrote: This isn't America, this is I Love Fuzz.
Mudfuzz wrote:Remember when we were all just a bunch of weirdos that liked fucked up shit and not just a bunch of nerds buying bling to impress each other online?
- Chankgeez
- IAMILFFAMOUS

- Posts: 42256
- Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:40 am
- Location: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhbeHujNZQ youtube.com/watch?v=V-2l7kkBURc
Re: The False Grail?
Casavettes wrote:i'm probably going to be crucified for saying this
but for whatever reason i didn't go crazy over the elements
it has a great sound
i guess i was a looking for something more unique? or i suck?
Oh, snap.
MEC wrote:Don't hate the pedal....Hate the game.
There are no false grails, only false prophets.
…...........................…psychic vampire. wrote:The important take away from this thread: Taoism and Ring Modulators go together?
Sweet dealin's: here
"Now, of course, Strega is not a Minimoog… and I am not Sun Ra" - dude from MAKENOISE
#GreenRinger
- Casavettes
- IAMILF

- Posts: 2771
- Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:36 pm
- Location: nj
- skullservant
- IAMILFFAMOUS

- Posts: 16575
- Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:55 am
Re: The False Grail?
Rob Fossil wrote:Casavettes wrote:^ could you elaborate on quirks of the infanem? like the decay of the phased sound was too much? always curious about that guy just never got to try it out.
Yeah, I'm interested in this also. I've been gassing for a Faye Sing but have heard mixed reviews.
The clickless bypass had a short cut/pop of the signal when engaging and disengaging. Kind of defeated the purpose.
It was nice and gooey, but it was sort of metallic sounding in a clangy way.
I traded it off and it arrived DOA to the dude I traded it to. He said it was perfectly fine on the outside but it wouldn't work at all when he tried it out. He shipped it out to Ken who fixed it but I can't remember how much it cost, and that's not the first story I've heard about them needing a little work.
Not bashing Ken's work at all because it was a really interesting and different sounding phaser, which I actually miss the sound of a bit, but those little quirks are what did it in for me
- Casavettes
- IAMILF

- Posts: 2771
- Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:36 pm
- Location: nj
Re: The False Grail?
thats interesting
i've noticed lately with my sibling phaser there's a popping sound when it's engaged
but it doesn't happen all the time
i've noticed lately with my sibling phaser there's a popping sound when it's engaged
but it doesn't happen all the time
- Achtane
- IAMILFFAMOUS

- Posts: 14311
- Joined: Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:09 am
- Location: under the manchineel
Re: The False Grail?
The Supa-Chan looked a lot cooler than it sounded, plus all that drama killed Mellowtone for me.
Didn't like the Wolf Computer either, except in a feedback loop...even when it's doing sub-octave wackiness or farting, I still can't get into the general fuzz toan.
Out of the SM/TP/VFM/DB/Ruiner I haven't yet found anything that I like enough on bass to keep. I love the craziness of Devi's pedals, just gotta find the right combo of circuits. People keep saying the SM is super bassy, I don't get it...and the DB, like, kills all of yr highs. There's gotta be a sweet in-between.
Didn't like the Wolf Computer either, except in a feedback loop...even when it's doing sub-octave wackiness or farting, I still can't get into the general fuzz toan.
Out of the SM/TP/VFM/DB/Ruiner I haven't yet found anything that I like enough on bass to keep. I love the craziness of Devi's pedals, just gotta find the right combo of circuits. People keep saying the SM is super bassy, I don't get it...and the DB, like, kills all of yr highs. There's gotta be a sweet in-between.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Louy7zH9guw


sonidero wrote:Roll a plus 13 for fire and with my immunity to wack I dodge the cough and pass a turn to chill and look at these rocks...
kbithecrowing wrote:Making out with my girl friday night, I couldn't stop thinking about flangers.


- Gone Fission
- IAMILFFAMOUS

- Posts: 4926
- Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:50 pm
- Location: The ungovernable tribal regions southwest of D.C.
- Contact:
Re: The False Grail?
Muffs haven't worked for me in the past. I like when other people use them, often quite a bit, but I've never been happy with them. I ditched a 70's red & black (I think an opamp) in the mid 90s at the height of grunge. I just picked up the Akai Muff clone for uber cheap and it's got all the characteristics I remember, good and bad. Maybe I'm a different enough player all these years later that it'll work, but I'm leaning towards it not being a primary pedal for me.
D.o.S. wrote:Broadly speaking, if we at ILF are dropping 300 bucks on a pedal it probably sounds like an SNES holocaust.
friendship wrote:death to false bleep-blop
UglyCasanova wrote:brb gonna slap my dick on my stomp boxes
- coldbrightsunlight
- Supporter

- Posts: 13666
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 pm
- Location: UK
Re: The False Grail?
skullservant wrote:Rob Fossil wrote:Casavettes wrote:^ could you elaborate on quirks of the infanem? like the decay of the phased sound was too much? always curious about that guy just never got to try it out.
Yeah, I'm interested in this also. I've been gassing for a Faye Sing but have heard mixed reviews.
The clickless bypass had a short cut/pop of the signal when engaging and disengaging. Kind of defeated the purpose.
It was nice and gooey, but it was sort of metallic sounding in a clangy way.
I traded it off and it arrived DOA to the dude I traded it to. He said it was perfectly fine on the outside but it wouldn't work at all when he tried it out. He shipped it out to Ken who fixed it but I can't remember how much it cost, and that's not the first story I've heard about them needing a little work.
Not bashing Ken's work at all because it was a really interesting and different sounding phaser, which I actually miss the sound of a bit, but those little quirks are what did it in for me
That's funny, I never heard any popping when it was engaged, the thing that did it for me was that the sweep is just a little weird because there's a bit of a wobble when it gets to the lowest point and it kind of annoyed me. Great phaser though, I'd say it's well worth checking out to anyone on the fence because it does sound pretty different. That said, although I never had any power/engaging problems at all, I've heard that a lot of people have.
The ss/bs year 4545 was a bit of a disappointment for me. I'd wanted to try one for ages because it looked and sounded super cool, but when I had one on loan it just didn't really fit somehow? Could have been how weird the controls are, but I just couldn't get what I was looking for out of it.
Oh, plus my copicat tape echo. I was so psyched to have a real tape echo and it did sound great but for me at least, they're too annoying to be worth it when there are pedals that do a really good job of emulating 'that' sound.
Last edited by coldbrightsunlight on Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
füzz lover. Friend. Quilter evangelist.
I make music sometimes:
https://nitrx.bandcamp.com/
https://mediocrisy.bandcamp.com/
https://fleshcouch.bandcamp.com
I make music sometimes:
https://nitrx.bandcamp.com/
https://mediocrisy.bandcamp.com/
https://fleshcouch.bandcamp.com
- sonidero
- Supporter

- Posts: 10529
- Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:57 pm
- Location: Central Texas...
Re: The False Grail?
I don't elevate pedals to Grail Status in my own mind... I know what sounds I like and what NOT to buy either by a review, a demo, or even just esthetics... No pedal has ever disappointed me because they're all good for something or some one and I don't try to make them do something that they weren't invented to do or force them into MY way of playing or thinking... They are a utility and should be used as such...
"Personal Growth Through Guitar Pedals"
