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So I need some advice. My band of 4 months is doing the local thing. I've played live before with my high school, but it was always through someone my band members knew, or word of mouth, and only within a small town--high school kind of thing. I'm in the "big" city now for school (Burlington is the biggest city in VT, but it's still pretty small, even though our music scene is pretty extensive), and we have some interest from booking agents to play live.

Anyone have any tips to dealing with agents to ensure playing. He's asked me a couple questions, like how many people do we expect to draw, how long would a set be, etc. Also just tips for gigging in general. Much appreciated.

It's all a big :idk: :idk: :idk: :idk: . I don't want to go into it too naively.
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Ooof. Booking agents have always frightened me - I've always done it myself. Of course, I've also never gone too far beyond the "local level," (other than occasional shows out of town). Actually, no, that's not true - a side-project band I played in once had a booking agency who was horrible. They kept telling us about potential shows far out of town days before the shows in question, and kept trying to get us to play places that we didn't want to play, threatening that it would be bad for "our career" if we didn't. Ugh.

As for booking yourself, in my experience it's always best to plan a month or two ahead, because local clubs (at least the ones that are any good) are usually booked that far ahead. If you know the individual booking people and you're looking for a quick-turnaround thing you may always get lucky (they may call if a band drops off a bill), but generally, plan ahead.

Also, get organized. Start a spreadsheet or a google doc so you can keep track of everything. Call around to all of the clubs, get their addresses and contact info and find out who's booking them (and get their contact info in case it's different than the clubs). Send out press kits, or e-mail the folks who like to work over e-mail. Be polite but persistent - my college band got our biggest gig at the time because I called the club's agent every two to three days and left polite messages on his machine. Sadly, he then tried to screw us out of our payment after the gig, but hey... it was a great show.

When you're sending stuff, always make sure that whatever you send out looks good, but don't go overboard. I used to book shows, and would get mailings from local bands with folders emblazoned with their logos and stuffed with testimonials... sad to say, I'd usually pass those up (and when I did listen, it was almost always the case that they were overcompensating for the music with promo materials). But the cdr with the band name in sharpie would get the same treatment. Bands that clearly took pride in their work & the packaging, and didn't send too much material with the CDs (generally a one-page bio/press release is plenty... maybe an 8x10 photo if you want, but those so often look ridiculous) would usually make it to the top of the pile.

Persistance and organization are the main thing, though - keep track of who you called, so you know when to call 'em again.

As for ca$h, it's always been my experience that when playing at clubs, a portion of the door, divided between the bands, is the standard. Some clubs do it differently (one NYC club asked each customer who they were there to see, so we only got paid for the ten friends who came out to see us... and we'd comped five of them).

Sorry for the ranting - I hope it's helpful. This has just been my personal experience - there's other sources out there too. You can check Book Your Own Fuckin' Life - http://www.byofl.org/ - and stuff from the old Simple Machines record label - http://www.simplemachines.net/mech.html (that was a mid-90's indie label - some of the stuff may not apply so much anymore).

Oh, and if you're at a college, cuddle up with the Student Affairs / Student Life / Entertainment people - they've got a budget that they've got to spend every semester on entertainment, so they may as well spend it on you! College gigs were always the one sort of gig where one could dependably make money and have at least semi-decent sound.
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Thanks lots for the advice. I'm actually already a couple steps ahead. I guess I should have been clearer. I'm actually dealing with booking for a pretty major music place downtown already. They wanted everything through email, and he's already following up (which I'm pretty excited about) and I guess what I'm asking is how to talk to these dudes. Otherwise, thanks a lot for the rips on the press kits and stuff, I'll def keep in mind for other places. Hopefully it will be a good year with this shit.
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That's great news, both that you're already talking to them and that they're following up. The fact that they're getting back to you is a good sign right there! As for how to talk to them, are you looking for tips on estimating your audience draw, or what you should ask money-wise, or just general dealing-with-booking people stuff?

Do you know any other bands who have played this venue before? If so, give them a call. I find that when you know about an individual booking persons quirks, that helps a lot. Sometimes you have to find out the hard way ( :eek: ), but if you can avoid that, it's always good...

Also, if you ever plan on coming down to Providence to play, I'd suggest checking the Lotsofnoise board (http://www.lotsofnoise.com/) to find bands to play with and to promote your stuff. There's still a pretty decent noise/psych scene here, so it could be worth your while.
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http://www.liveatnectars.com/static/liv ... ontact.php.

They provide a pretty helpful guide on how to get booked, I'm just surprised they emailed me back so quickly. At this point, money doesn't matter if there's none to be had--and I guess first-timers shouldn't expect anything, which is fine by me at this point. On estimating my audience draw though, all the band's friends and families live in the area, so I expect the turnout will be pretty nifty, but I still don't know what type of figure to give him cuz I honestly have no idea. I'd like to say fifty, but it could be less or more.

I do know a lot of bands that have played here as they draw from local stuff all the way to big independent groups. Yeah, I could prob get some dirt on the booking agency.

Hmm, Providence, it's like the capital of North American noise. That's a good idea. You from there? Thanks a lot man. Big helps. :thumb:
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Wow - that's a really complete online FAQ! They cover the bases...

In my opinion, it's always best to be somewhat modest when estimating draws for shows... you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot by saying that only two people will come out, but it's a given that friends will say they're coming no matter what and a certain percentage won't make it for any number of reasons. If you think it's 50 people, say 35 - 40. If it's 20 people, go for 15. If it really is two people... uh... start doing a lot of promotion work, or volunteer to go on first! :D

Yah, I live in Providence... been here for over ten years now. Missed out on what a lot of people would consider the peak of the noise scene, but I did get to go to a couple of shows and parties at Fort Thunder, which was fun. There's definitely still a good showing for noise, psych, doom & general weirdness. Good stuff. I bet Neon Magus would go over well at AS220 if you could hook up with a couple of local bands off the noise board.
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Aight, thanks. That answers my question perfectly. Yeah, I'm checking out that site now (I actually spent 10 mins watching the SNL sketch of the VP debate, which was on their homepage :idk: ). Thanks for the help and support. Maybe we can get down to Providence once we get something built up a little up here. I'd love to get around, especially where people kinda know where we're coming from. I guess you could say we're pretty different in most cases regarding the Burlington music scene, which is very bluesy/folky/jam related. Luckily people are open minded about music here. Anyway, thanks very much.
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Yeah, I've played in New Hampshire college towns (which I'm guessing are similar to VT), and seen shows in VT... your description seems pretty right on the money with what I experienced.

Always happy to help! :thumb:
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