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So I have this friend...

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:18 pm
by wsas3
The guy is definetely not me, of course.... but he a foolish question that I would never ask :erm:
1) When inserting resistors/ diodes/ etc, is it ok to cut the remaining wire?
That's my *cough* I mean my friends only question. Thanks!

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:30 pm
by fuzzmax
you must

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:31 am
by LaoWiz
does he mean the excess leads? once there is a soldered connection, yes.

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:47 am
by Jero
I wouldn't clip the leads until you've soldered the component in place.

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:00 am
by Nocentelli
Here's a good method for populating a simple perf/vero/pcb -
a) once you're ready to start soldering components, look over the layout diagram to identify the LOWEST PROFILE components, that is to say the parts that will lie flattest to the board: This is usually, in order - Jumper wires, diodes, resistors (lying flat), tiny ceramic disc caps, IC sockets, standing resistors, box caps, transistors/FETS/etc, and large electro caps last of all - You should probably mark the layout to indicate the order.
b) Insert the first component (e.g. first jumper), flip the board over and apply slight pressure to hold the component in place.
c) snip off the legs of the component WHILST STILL APPLYING PRESSURE; This will leave a millimetre or so of component leg just protruding from the copper side
d) Touch the iron and solder to the protruding stumps and track/pad to solder the component in place
e) Move on to the next jumper and repeat method, working through the components in height order

This ensures the components are as flush as they can be to the board, uses far less solder and means that you get a lovely smooth solder patch with no sharp ends poking through.

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:28 am
by AC128
Nocentelli wrote:c) snip off the legs of the component WHILST STILL APPLYING PRESSURE; This will leave a millimetre or so of component leg just protruding from the copper side
d) Touch the iron and solder to the protruding stumps and track/pad to solder the component in place

This ensures the components are as flush as they can be to the board, uses far less solder and means that you get a lovely smooth solder patch with no sharp ends poking through.


yes I prefer the snip-then-solder method, too.
it's cleaner and you don't risk breaking the solder connection

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:48 am
by wsas3
thank ya'll!

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:08 pm
by Jero
It can definitely be done just as nicely without clipping them first. Just takes practice (and a good pair of wire trimmers!)

I used to scoff at the thought of paying $20 for one wire clipper. Then I actually got one, and feel like an idiot. These will cut blobs of solder, with leads through it.

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:29 pm
by LaoWiz
Jero wrote:It can definitely be done just as nicely without clipping them first. Just takes practice (and a good pair of wire trimmers!)

I used to scoff at the thought of paying $20 for one wire clipper. Then I actually got one, and feel like an idiot. These will cut blobs of solder, with leads through it.


What kind of snips did you get? I need something new in that department...

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:01 pm
by devnulljp
How else do you get a pile of jumper wires?

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:54 pm
by Officer Bukowski
I use fingernail clippers haha

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:32 pm
by McSpunckle
Personally, I bend the leads inward so they'll hold tightly in place, then clip them, then solder them. :idk:

I'd rather just clip them, but I haven't figured out ho to keep the components in place if I don't bend 'em.

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:33 pm
by Nocentelli
Jero wrote: These will cut blobs of solder, with leads through it.


see, i've always worried that would physically weaken/damage/do something bad to the solder joint. i still do it, of course, i just worry a bit.

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:46 pm
by Nocentelli
McSpunckle wrote: I haven't figured out ho to keep the components in place if I don't bend 'em.


b) Insert the first component (e.g. first jumper), flip the board over and apply slight pressure to hold the component in place.

Re: So I have this friend...

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:10 pm
by eatyourguitar
flush cutter on amazon
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much better than the nail clippers I was using. use the flush cutters for component leads and wire only! get something else to do all your heavy cutting.