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Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:52 am
by jfrey
jrmy wrote:All right, I know that we're getting into splitting hairs whenever we discuss subgenres and crossover genres, but would anyone care to explicate the differences between crust and sludge?
Without going into any of the variety and nuance, crust is punk influenced by black metal, and sludge is doom metal influenced by hardcore and in many cases southern rock.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:00 am
by jrmy
jfrey wrote:jrmy wrote:All right, I know that we're getting into splitting hairs whenever we discuss subgenres and crossover genres, but would anyone care to explicate the differences between crust and sludge?
Without going into any of the variety and nuance, crust is punk influenced by black metal, and sludge is doom metal influenced by hardcore and in many cases southern rock.
Innaresting. I had heard much more of an industrial / post-Killing Joke influence in the bands that were described to me as being "the most crust," but these were also older bands - these things evolve. And moving from industrial influences to black metal influences would totally make sense with the times. I can totally see the case you're making for sludge, based on the few bands that I've really seen described as such.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:08 am
by Mudfuzz
jfrey wrote: and sludge is doom metal influenced by hardcore and in many cases southern rock.
That is a bit broad sweeping because if you use that way to glump up bands then The Melvins, TAD, Fudge Tunnel, Kyuss, Fu Manchoo, Boris, Crowbar, The U-men all fit into that...
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:10 am
by jfrey
Mudfuzz wrote:jfrey wrote: and sludge is doom metal influenced by hardcore and in many cases southern rock.
That is a bit broad sweeping because if you use that way to glump up bands then The Melvins, TAD, Fudge Tunnel, Kyuss, Fu Manchoo, Boris, Crowbar, The U-men all fit into that...
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:10 am
by jfrey
jfrey wrote:Mudfuzz wrote:jfrey wrote: and sludge is doom metal influenced by hardcore and in many cases southern rock.
That is a bit broad sweeping because if you use that way to glump up bands then The Melvins, TAD, Fudge Tunnel, Kyuss, Fu Manchoo, Boris, Crowbar, The U-men all fit into that...
jfrey wrote:Without going into any of the variety and nuance
I was just giving a super general rule of thumb that fits the majority of bands in those genres. If you wanted to be specific you'd have to go into the differences between sludgecore, sludge metal, stoner sludge, progressive sludge metal, post metal of the sludge variety, etc.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:16 am
by jrmy
jfrey wrote:jfrey wrote:Mudfuzz wrote:jfrey wrote: and sludge is doom metal influenced by hardcore and in many cases southern rock.
That is a bit broad sweeping because if you use that way to glump up bands then The Melvins, TAD, Fudge Tunnel, Kyuss, Fu Manchoo, Boris, Crowbar, The U-men all fit into that...
jfrey wrote:Without going into any of the variety and nuance
I was just giving a super general rule of thumb that fits the majority of bands in those genres. If you wanted to be specific you'd have to go into the differences between sludgecore, sludge metal, stoner sludge, progressive sludge metal, post metal of the sludge variety, etc.
Yeah - sorry, didn't want to derail. Discussions of genre get sticky. Let's get back to the sludge!
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:47 pm
by MaggotBrainNY
dub wrote:Dystopia?
sludgy crusties.
Love me some sludge, Sourvein, Iron Monkey, Grief, EHG etc.
Dystopia fucking rules man, good call.
And not to be
that guy, but Neurosis = Sludgecore? uhhhhh. nah.
I've been getting real into Drainland lately. They have a strong sludge element. Not sure about the "core" part though. haha.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:09 pm
by rot gut
jfrey wrote:D.o.S. wrote:Does Thou count?
Not really. But regardless, Thou is amazing. One of my favourite bands.
even though sludgecore isn't a legit genre, i'd throw thou in there.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:06 am
by D.o.S.
But what about Grief?
Jfrey never gave me the go-ahead--he's my genre-itizer.
Seriously, that dude has the master key to the filing system. He's like my blackened crust wikimedia.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:00 am
by WeHuntKings
Just saw Weedeater tonight and they fucking KILLED. As did Sourvein. Dunno if either of those count, but the new Weedeater cd had a review on the front that described them as such.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:30 am
by jfrey
D.o.S. wrote:But what about Grief?
Jfrey never gave me the go-ahead--he's my genre-itizer.
Seriously, that dude has the master key to the filing system. He's like my blackened crust wikimedia.
I think so. They tend towards having a pretty substantial doom flavor, but a lot of their material could still fit neatly into sludgecore.
rot gut wrote:even though sludgecore isn't a legit genre
Sir, you forget yourself. I challenge you to a duel. Socker Boppers at dawn.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:31 am
by Ancient Astronaught
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:05 pm
by DarkAxel
am i the only one whpo finds Neurosis too hard to fit into any genre to even try...
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:25 pm
by Mudfuzz
DarkAxel wrote:am i the only one whpo finds Neurosis too hard to fit into any genre to even try...
no, no you are not.
Re: The Sludgecore Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:48 pm
by dub
They're definitely in a league of their own.
I had a bit of a ponder, think you'd enjoy Tafkata, there's 'core elements in there, but they have great sludgy riffs, and the songs never outstay their welcome, which is an easy trap for a band to fall into.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAtsfoMVsc[/youtube]
http://www.mediafire.com/?xm4nmhmtwjwAlso gotta throw out a shout to local sludge monsters METH DRINKER.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amWKVFY40Xs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Py1qspZVE[/youtube]
