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Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:13 pm
by D.o.S.
Yeah but didn't you convince yourself to go back into the DD500 and really explore it? I might be remembering that wrong, but I feel like you bought it, said 'this sucks' and bailed. That's sort of what happens with most menu-y pedals.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:18 pm
by Jwar
D.o.S. wrote:Yeah but didn't you convince yourself to go back into the DD500 and really explore it? I might be remembering that wrong, but I feel like you bought it, said 'this sucks' and bailed. That's sort of what happens with most menu-y pedals.
Nah it's not because it sucked, it's because I wanted something else and was being a whore. LOL!!! It's a great pedal. I did however do that with every Strymon box, but those things suck IMO. They sound like dead shit. Not lush at all.
I think as long as the interface is good, then it's a great idea. Like the Nemesis has a really easy interface app. It's actually very surprising and you can hear the changes in real time before you save anything. Which is killer.
With a looper, I don't think they need to reinvent the wheel or anything, just add some cooler features. Gives us more for our money.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:21 pm
by backwardsvoyager
to be honest i kinda think the time for that has passed.
lots of the people in that minority who actually want to innovate and enjoy learning their way around complicated new pieces of equipment are starting to gravitate towards software and modular, because our entry points there have been getting more affordable, better quality, less daunting to think about in general.
like as nice as it would be to have new hardware options there, it isn't gonna happen if any growth in that minority of people who would buy it is being siphoned off into software and modular.
having a good interface is obviously super important, but if you want complicated processes then the interface can only get so simple without ending up being 'dumbed down'.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:28 pm
by D.o.S.
There are a ton of hurdles that arise/need to be dealt with when you say "it needs to go on my pedal board and I need to step on it", for sure.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:29 pm
by zoooombiex
I totally get that there may not be the same mass-market appeal for the kind of next-gen device Torn is describing. (Though if you get it in the right hands, the market could certainly expand.) But for present purposes I'd be happy with a small, less-expensive and more-easily-replaceable version of my 16SDD. Even just changing the CT5 so that the direction only changed the speed instead of pitch would do a lot for me. (Perhaps the 856 will cover that?)
The 16SDD is 30 years old at this point, so you know it's doable. And based on the prices that the EHX's go for there seems to be at least some market for a box with these features (a market that probably overlaps a lot with the CT5).
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:42 pm
by D.o.S.
I mean they reissued the 16SDD a few years ago, right? I presume it didn't sell because it's no longer in production? (no idea on that just thinking out loud).
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:46 pm
by backwardsvoyager
they reissued it in 2004(?) in a pretty limited quantity but it was the same size as the old one.
as much as i'm not really a fan of the XO EHX boxes, you'd think a 16SDD XO reissue would be not only doable for them but at least in the pipeline somewhere considering they've got pretty much every single of their other old effects in their product lineup in some form or another, huh. maybe it'd overlap with the 22500 too much.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:00 pm
by zoooombiex
D.o.S. wrote:I mean they reissued the 16SDD a few years ago, right? I presume it didn't sell because it's no longer in production? (no idea on that just thinking out loud).
That's a good question. I don't know if they were discontinued because of poor sales, discontinued/limited components, or maybe the 16SDD evolved into their other loopers? I assume their current loopers have the broader mass appeal, and that market doesn't necessarily need the more esoteric features. It's interesting though that there is no "deluxe" version of their loopers that preserve the more unique features of the 16SDD.
I assume the evolution of their looping products reflects cost/market decisions, but even the reissue 16SDD's go for a decent amount.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:31 pm
by pd~
Timebender
Space Station
Vortex
JamMan Express
Guess which one of these is a million+ dollar product?
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:37 pm
by D.o.S.
Well the ISS cost $150 billion, according to google, so it's obviously the Space Station.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:40 pm
by Jwar
D.o.S. wrote:I mean they reissued the 16SDD a few years ago, right? I presume it didn't sell because it's no longer in production? (no idea on that just thinking out loud).
Is this the EHX pedal? I'm not familiar with it. If so, what's the big deal about it? Doesn't seem very innovative at all.
The Timebender has been on my radar for awhile. I want one just for the boner inducing delays.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:46 pm
by D.o.S.
You'd have to ask Zoom but here's a good video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POolx0icXwY[/youtube]
(Also Idk if you can rip on a 30+ year old pedal for not being innovative.)
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:59 pm
by Jwar
That thing does sound bad ass.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:21 pm
by aholidayatthesea
Isn't the new Montreal assembly pedal supposed to be a kind of looper? I'm sure that'll be pretty cool.
Anyway I messed with my SMMH looper and time stretching. It'll maintain pitch with tap tempo, but it'll only go so slow. Plus, it doesn't sound like a true time stretch. It sounds like when you copy and paste a wave form to make something last longer, like a tremolo effect.
Re: Extreme Time Stretch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:35 pm
by D.o.S.
The 856 Now We're a Real Business or whatever it's called?
I think so:
not really. it's a looper of sorts, so not totally different, but the patches are not the same as the ct5, i would say they are more advanced/twerkable (8 knobs, hello buhday).
For example maybe you can compare some of what it does a bit to mode 3 of ct5, only you can have each "head" play a different portion of the loop, spaced out in time, according to a rhythm, or an arpegiated pattern etc. So rhythm wise it is way more coherent than mode 3 of ct5 because you can schedule the slices to play according to a base tempo or clock etc. You can change the tempo and everything will move accordingly...
Also once you have rhythms or slice patterns setup, you can keep the structural pattern/schedule and apply it to a newly recorded audio sample, or just have it constantly applying the pattern to an input stream of audio, ie not a sample, just have it apply the pattern to what you are playing .
...I never realized how many weirdos only post in like, two shark tank threads and nowhere else on ILF.