How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
If you are concerned with the value, and not it's usability as a pedal, sell it. I would think that resale value is more likely to go down as more enter the world due to the supply and demand curve. Right now it's clear that demand is NOT being met.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Warning: soapbox-ranty...but I just sold a 1978 DMM for about $200 below market value, listing it here and nowhere else.
It's my belief that special pieces of gear are best kept in the hands of those who will appreciate and use them in interesting ways, to make something great....not treat them as jewelry or trophies. Spreading the fortune around one's own community enriches us all.
Paying it forward is a win/win. That giving feel will outlast the honeymoon phase when I eventually get my new toy.
There's so much more value outside of the context of "what's it going to cost me" or "how much profit can I make" and seeing how friends have changed while chasing dollars sickens me. Seeing corporate mentality infect private citizens is disgusting.
The gear world has been infiltrated by ebay sharks looking to make a quick buck on everything "vintage" or "rare" and just sell to the highest bidder...or gouge buyers with inflated prices.
Trying to run a business is one thing, but exploiting the vulnerable or naive to fund personal hobbies and diversions doesn't sit right. Also starving artists....and nearly-starving artists who eat cereal & peanut butter because they just had to have that unobtanium
It's my belief that special pieces of gear are best kept in the hands of those who will appreciate and use them in interesting ways, to make something great....not treat them as jewelry or trophies. Spreading the fortune around one's own community enriches us all.
Paying it forward is a win/win. That giving feel will outlast the honeymoon phase when I eventually get my new toy.
There's so much more value outside of the context of "what's it going to cost me" or "how much profit can I make" and seeing how friends have changed while chasing dollars sickens me. Seeing corporate mentality infect private citizens is disgusting.
The gear world has been infiltrated by ebay sharks looking to make a quick buck on everything "vintage" or "rare" and just sell to the highest bidder...or gouge buyers with inflated prices.
Trying to run a business is one thing, but exploiting the vulnerable or naive to fund personal hobbies and diversions doesn't sit right. Also starving artists....and nearly-starving artists who eat cereal & peanut butter because they just had to have that unobtanium
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Just a small niggle with your ranty rant there, rustywire:rustywire wrote: Seeing corporate mentality infect private citizens is disgusting.
There were people before there were corporations.
So, I'd say that mentality originally came from private citizens who later implemented in on a corporate scale.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
True Chank. Semantics aside, the corporate model has provided the vehicle for greed to create nefarious public mischief, perpetrated in the name of profit and control, while allowing bad actors to operate under the guise of impunity. That mentality existed before corporations...but it was mostly relegated to imperialists, robber-barons and psychopaths. Now it's championed as "good business" with that bullshit "If I win we all win, but me-first!" mentality and being obstinate is suddenly celebrated as a virtue.


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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
I totally agree.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
I don't mean to sound like I'm calling you a bad person or anything, technicoloraudio.
It's just that I consider guitar pedals to be both a tool for artists and a work of art in themselves.
While they have value as artwork, I think if they aren't being used as tools they should go into someone's hands who will use them that way.
I don't think it's a bad thing for you to make a couple bucks off of it along the way, either.
It's also a good way for you to find something equally inspirational for yourself, if the A-N isn't doing it for you.
Win-win, as far as I'm concerned.
At the same time, if you want to keep it, it's 100% your right to do that, seeing how you own it.
It's just that I consider guitar pedals to be both a tool for artists and a work of art in themselves.
While they have value as artwork, I think if they aren't being used as tools they should go into someone's hands who will use them that way.
I don't think it's a bad thing for you to make a couple bucks off of it along the way, either.
It's also a good way for you to find something equally inspirational for yourself, if the A-N isn't doing it for you.
Win-win, as far as I'm concerned.
At the same time, if you want to keep it, it's 100% your right to do that, seeing how you own it.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Yeah. While I have strong opinions on this sort of thing, It isn't my intention to bash OP (who I've traded with in the past, he's a good guy)
technicoloraudio has every right to keep it or sell for however much he wants. Someone will likely pay it, too...
A lot of it has to do with what the "it" actually is...
technicoloraudio has every right to keep it or sell for however much he wants. Someone will likely pay it, too...
A lot of it has to do with what the "it" actually is...
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
assessing value is confusing. selling objects at their current valuation makes the most sense to me. the overpriced buy-it-now items on ebay are lame, but an auction that goes over the price you originally paid for it isn't immoral by any means. you are making a transaction with the person who attributes the highest value to the object, rather than someone who you happen to know or who got lucky and saw it first.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Apparently you don't seem to just look for the highest price, otherwise you'd put it out into the waters of the bay and be done with it. I'm pretty sure you'd get a great price for it that way. But maybe you should consider going for a trade, if you do not need the money. I'm pretty sure many people have pedals like that lying around: unused but too valuable to sell. So you could go for a trade and that way you would get a pedal you might use and at the same time not feel like you've fucked someone over or like you've lost money.
It's in my opinion the best way to make a deal with the rare and expensive pedals.
It's in my opinion the best way to make a deal with the rare and expensive pedals.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
I agree with many of the anti-capitalism statements here, but in general I think that applying the supply demand curve to 'non-essential' goods is just fine. Absolutism is for the birds.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Yeah, there's definitely a continuum there. I'd much rather sell things to people who are going to use them, but at the end of the day whoever actually has the money is going to get the goods.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Firstly: I appreciate the comments that everyone has contributed here. This is a strange situation and the reality of it is that I am using my Octatrack for all sorts of sample mangling for multiple sources and the AN can only process one source at a time. It's an incredible piece and it does amazing things that aren't duplicated in anything ever forever.
Secondly, I asked for the valuation here, because I would only sell it here if I were to sell it. This is the community in which it belongs and I wouldn't feel comfortable putting it out in the big bad world all alone.
I know it deserves to be used, which has prompted this whole to-do, because I am not using it to its potential and it deserves to be.
I feel strongly that if I sell it I will most likely never get another chance to own one, and that makes my b-hole tighten.
Secondly, I asked for the valuation here, because I would only sell it here if I were to sell it. This is the community in which it belongs and I wouldn't feel comfortable putting it out in the big bad world all alone.
I know it deserves to be used, which has prompted this whole to-do, because I am not using it to its potential and it deserves to be.
I feel strongly that if I sell it I will most likely never get another chance to own one, and that makes my b-hole tighten.
but what are guitar pedals...really..?
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Ehh, I dunno about that.technicoloraudio wrote:I feel strongly that if I sell it I will most likely never get another chance to own one, and that makes my b-hole tighten.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
Just rub it in our faces, why don't ya?PetZounds wrote:Ehh, I dunno about that.technicoloraudio wrote:I feel strongly that if I sell it I will most likely never get another chance to own one, and that makes my b-hole tighten.
There are only 20 Polygraces in the world, and both theavondon and I think jwar have each owned two at some point.
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Re: How much is an Anti-Nautilus?
I got a Vessel's End when it came out. I sold it but have had at least 2 prrhaps 3 opportunities to buy one to replace it if I had wanted to. What I'm trying to say is that nothing is irreplaceable, given time and inclination.PetZounds wrote:Ehh, I dunno about that.technicoloraudio wrote:I feel strongly that if I sell it I will most likely never get another chance to own one, and that makes my b-hole tighten.
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