Post-Rock sucks and is stupid. Mogwai rules

[daseb]

oh hey I work a regular job and I'm still doing music as an excuse to be an arsehole to people, what other reason is there?

[Iommic Pope]

Sadly I don't get time to make much music these days, so sadly (or with joy) becoming a douchebag has seeped over into my daily life.
I'm cool with that.

[Faldoe]

Every genre is stupid.

Yeah, I'm sad that the genre has deviated so much into the earlier sounds of bands like Talk Talk. Most of the bands in the genre that still resonate with me are old standards now, the Mogwais, the Godspeeds, the Sigur Ros' and the Swans of the world.

Mono have some great moments, but they are a fucking terrible band overall, jesus. They obviously come from a punk/indie scene and have managed to only keep themselves in this stratum of "post-ock godhood" through sheer name recognition alone. I was done with them right after Hymm to the Immortal Wind, and then I heard Legend off For My Parents, the key change in the that song should've been banned by the Geneva convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYxzq5Gyw6o&t=9m5s (It's a link because the forum doesn't support time tags.)

Genres are silly, it's true, but their are some bands that are just good and the music stands on it's own.

It seems too many bands, and newly formed, focus more on how to be "of" a "genre" rather than be creative. And then they of course can dress/act the part. Be it punk, metal, etc. My rehearsal studio building is full people dressing their parts. It's a hoot.

[darkfield]

Explosions have always sucked. Post rock for frat guys.

Mogwai has always ruled.

Mono rules, too.

This^^^

And I thought I was in the minority with my college buds dildoing themselves to Implosions. Always thought it was a stupid fucking label (trying in vain to emulate the much superior post-punk genre) and all the cheese who digs this explosions anal warts. Mogz and Talk Talk are awesome, yes.

[WeHuntKings]

There is boring vanilla shit in every genre. Why post rock gets picked on the most confounds me.

[WeHuntKings]

Mogwai is the tits, however.

[DarkAxel]

There is boring vanilla shit in every genre. Why post rock gets picked on the most confounds me.

probably because we're more elitist and pretentious about it?

[daseb]

I think it's got a bit to do with being music that can take itself very seriously that is really hard to do well, and has sort of been completely over-saturated with very bad, formulaic and insincere bands? Combine that with the disappointment of how it initially seemed to be this very exciting and innovative group of disparate sounding acts and ended up basically as white people; the music? And the fact that it's a genre of music that appeals to people who are more concerned with buying equipment than writing a good song, and it just seems glaring how shitty it can be. Especially when compared to the luminaries of the genre who are so amazing.

N.B. You can say the exact same thing about stoner doom stuff, and I think people are realising that now as more and more shitty bands full of people who think it's more about posting photos of your rig on instagram than writing a bloody riff are cropping up. It happens with all music to a great extent it's just that sometimes a lot of factors collide to make them more punishing than usual.

Edit: the same thing will happen with shoegaze. And noise rock. And whatever genres are next for the rehash treatment (I'm betting either krautrock, 80s b movie synth, or maybe haxan cloak / demdike stare style creepy electronica?). Post rock is just the current genre that's well past the tipping point of crappy, soulless bands that most of us no doubt have to play shows with.

[Inconuucl]

tl;dr: A shit-ton of reverb does not a good song make.

[D.o.S.]

says you.

[Faldoe]

I think it's got a bit to do with being music that can take itself very seriously that is really hard to do well, and has sort of been completely over-saturated with very bad, formulaic and insincere bands? Combine that with the disappointment of how it initially seemed to be this very exciting and innovative group of disparate sounding acts and ended up basically as white people; the music? And the fact that it's a genre of music that appeals to people who are more concerned with buying equipment than writing a good song, and it just seems glaring how shitty it can be. Especially when compared to the luminaries of the genre who are so amazing.

N.B. You can say the exact same thing about stoner doom stuff, and I think people are realising that now as more and more shitty bands full of people who think it's more about posting photos of your rig on instagram than writing a bloody riff are cropping up. It happens with all music to a great extent it's just that sometimes a lot of factors collide to make them more punishing than usual.

Edit: the same thing will happen with shoegaze. And noise rock. And whatever genres are next for the rehash treatment (I'm betting either krautrock, 80s b movie synth, or maybe haxan cloak / demdike stare style creepy electronica?). Post rock is just the current genre that's well past the tipping point of crappy, soulless bands that most of us no doubt have to play shows with.

Ya, same thing with doom, or Nuerosis wannabes. Post-rock has the potentially pretentious aspect.

Early God Is An Astronaut stuff is pretty good. I still have a soft spot for Red Sparrows.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrEIyLxHSdk[/youtube]

[Strange Tales]

The Hawk is Howling has always been my favorite Mogwai album. I think I'm alone on this though

Sgt. - Stylus Fantasticus is the best album I've ever heard. Pure brilliance beginning to end.

[WeHuntKings]

I think it's got a bit to do with being music that can take itself very seriously that is really hard to do well, and has sort of been completely over-saturated with very bad, formulaic and insincere bands? Combine that with the disappointment of how it initially seemed to be this very exciting and innovative group of disparate sounding acts and ended up basically as white people; the music? And the fact that it's a genre of music that appeals to people who are more concerned with buying equipment than writing a good song, and it just seems glaring how shitty it can be. Especially when compared to the luminaries of the genre who are so amazing.

N.B. You can say the exact same thing about stoner doom stuff, and I think people are realising that now as more and more shitty bands full of people who think it's more about posting photos of your rig on instagram than writing a bloody riff are cropping up. It happens with all music to a great extent it's just that sometimes a lot of factors collide to make them more punishing than usual.

Edit: the same thing will happen with shoegaze. And noise rock. And whatever genres are next for the rehash treatment (I'm betting either krautrock, 80s b movie synth, or maybe haxan cloak / demdike stare style creepy electronica?). Post rock is just the current genre that's well past the tipping point of crappy, soulless bands that most of us no doubt have to play shows with.

That makes sense.

[tremolo3]

Sgt. - Stylus Fantasticus is the best album I've ever heard. Pure brilliance beginning to end.

It is dense as fuck.

[darkfield]

I think it's got a bit to do with being music that can take itself very seriously that is really hard to do well, and has sort of been completely over-saturated with very bad, formulaic and insincere bands? Combine that with the disappointment of how it initially seemed to be this very exciting and innovative group of disparate sounding acts and ended up basically as white people; the music? And the fact that it's a genre of music that appeals to people who are more concerned with buying equipment than writing a good song, and it just seems glaring how shitty it can be. Especially when compared to the luminaries of the genre who are so amazing.

N.B. You can say the exact same thing about stoner doom stuff, and I think people are realising that now as more and more shitty bands full of people who think it's more about posting photos of your rig on instagram than writing a bloody riff are cropping up. It happens with all music to a great extent it's just that sometimes a lot of factors collide to make them more punishing than usual.

Edit: the same thing will happen with shoegaze. And noise rock. And whatever genres are next for the rehash treatment (I'm betting either krautrock, 80s b movie synth, or maybe haxan cloak / demdike stare style creepy electronica?). Post rock is just the current genre that's well past the tipping point of crappy, soulless bands that most of us no doubt have to play shows with.

Well reasoned. The same can definitely be said of the shoegaze movement and the pseudo-gaze (whom imo are related to the post rock movement) bands like Nothing, Deafheaving, Ringo shitstarr, et al who sound nothing like true shoegaze (yet call themselves so). To each his own.