help me make my guitar sound huge but not necessarily fuzzy?

[oscillofuzz]

I have a feeling these guys are responsible for the cease & desist.

[lordgalvar]

I have a feeling these guys are responsible for the cease & desist.

5 minute installation my ass! haha. Dude, that "A little thunder" way over thought the thing. Jeez. haha. If it is them, lame!

I mean using 1 and 1/3 of a humbucker into a fixed octave device (that needs charging) is lame and then making it a TRS out is even more lame (why not just make one coil dedicated to bass? why the 1/3 pickup if you are changing pickups). Submarine is way more elegant.

edit: Oh, they are from Echo Park...figures. Who wants me go ask questions at their office? (haha, not really, maybe, nah)

[gordian knot]

They really should be putting the patent number on the website and on the packaging

FWIW it's US 9,064,483

Oh, it's so much better than the old CASIS system or worse...manual paper searches

[lordgalvar]

They really should be putting the patent number on the website and on the packaging

FWIW it's US 9,064,483

I think they discounted alternate tuned, baritone, and bass vi guitars in their application as "difficult" to play. Weird...me thinks they are just scared of competition.

Still, to me, it is a badly thought out solution that is over engineered and somewhat cripples the full range and options provided by having an actual bridge pickup. This, to me, was a pretty bad oversight by the patent office (or they had really good lawyers). All of this stuff is old news/tech anyway. Lame

[goroth]

Whatever you do, don't pick up the boss oc-3. I tried when we were in between bassists, and it will not do what you want.

I tried splitting with an ls-2 and running an hm-2 with the lows cranked into a bass amp, and while it filled out stuff it also made things more indistinct, especially the more complicated stuff.

In light of my experience: maybe the meatbox, depending on how "fast" its response is, but I'd reckon stereo rig, eq'd very differently. Maybe a LAL donsharizer, or a sonic maximizer or something on the bassy amp. Maybe a 2x15 cab.

I'd be reluctant to force your guitar onto a bass rig / mine sounded shit like that. Just use guitar stuff but pushed to an extreme. One amp for toanz and the other for embiggening.

[sonidero]

You clearly need another separate amp for embiggening... Peavey 2x15 or Sunn 212LH are awesome for this application...

[rustywire]

You clearly need another separate amp for embiggening... Peavey 2x15 or Sunn 212LH are awesome for this application...

Use of a Science Mother as his platform is enough to power 4x15 and 8x12 afaic. Adding cabs+drivers is how I would get bigger.
Closed back cabs in a side-by-side configuration with a variety of drivers.

What's currently in the 2x15?

(edit: because I need to pay better attention...Science)

[daseb]

Stereo rig isn't an option. Been there, do that in another band, it just doesn't work for the way this particular band operates. As I said I'm totally prepared to accept second best because of that.

Likewise I'm not doing octave down for fake bass. When we need bass parts I pick up a bass, the songs that are two guitars are written for two guitars and no bass. I've seen people make it work (there's a great band from melbourne called Agonhymn that should be endorsed with a million free OC3s) but it doesn't work for us. Same with the Local H idea of a separate bass pickup, although I'd love to fit a guitar with that setup one day.



This is the board, but the munchkin has been swapped out for a Tym seaweed because it's bassier and has that mid control. Top row is bass, bottom row is guitar. I'm gonna head into the practice space early this weekend with an eq, blender, rat and a few other things and try it. But the meatbox is definitely calling my name...

[trace]

I can confirm that the meatbox works great for this. I run mine with "Rump" all the way up and everything else at about noon, sounds awesome. Pretty much never turn it off.

[The Mad Titan]

This.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIsxGheCUk0[/youtube]

I miss mine so much, wish I wouldn't have sold it even at 1000% profit. It will definitely do what you're asking.

I'm going to make a clone eventually, since my Lone Wolf Audio Outsider is nice, but not as awesome as the original.

Listen to when he's doing the faux bass lines. There's no pitchshifting, but so much lowend that it rattles the walls (I speak from experience, will make your amp sound like is explode).

My clone is going to be called the Latvian Potato. It will have controls for Despair (gain), Famine (Q), Rape (bandwidth), and a Despair boost switch that will add a preset mid/treble booster in front of the circuit because I love the way my Java Boost sounded infront of the Systech.

[digi2t]

How about something like a TCE Integrated Preamp? It's rated to 32v, which will give you 25vpp (+22dbu). At 9v, it give 7vpp (+11dbu). I use two of them at 24v, one at the beginning of my board, and another in front of my PLL. It's a great clean boost, with tone controls that really help hone things in. Powered with higher voltages, cranking it can help push tubes as well.

If you know a local builder, I've got a vero for it on the net.

If you want to add a really synthy edge to the low end, look into the Böhm Trickverzerrer. Really not anything special on guitar, but on bass... woah.

I've got a vero out for that as well.

[sonidero]

Send me the Munchkin Please Kind Sir and I will send you a something...

[gordian knot]

Now, I have NOT looked at the patent in any detail (just the abstract) BUT there are various avenues for post grant reexamination/invalidation. They can be expensive.

An alternative sometimes used when a C&D is sent : if the allegedly infringing company believes they have a strong enough case, they can always fire back that they believe the patent is invalid and if the patent holder continues to pursue, the all. infringing will be forced to seek invalidation

Here is an example of publicly disclosed prior art (search on username atomicmassunit - I'm not sure how to link to just that post on that system) I found within 2 minutes.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index. ... ot.958636/


please note : These are merely general observations and should not be construed as legal advice.

[The_Active_Conundrum]

I saw this two piece band recently and I learned something about the Boss OC-3 that I did not know but probably everybody else knew. You can set it so it only tracks the E and A strings. His guitar sounded thick as fuck. He plugged the octave signal into a compressor and a sansamp into a bass amp.

but...how does that work?

[daseb]

guessing it has a cutoff at a certain Hz level? Would that work?