Twin Dongs and the Eighth Dimension

[phantasmagorovich]

The latter is the reason not too many ILFers will be taking the bar.

[KaosCill8r]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbpPIYy_YQk[/youtube]

Top Secret is classic viewing. One of the faves from my dvd collection.

[behndy]

whoa. ebows are a hundy? gonna stop at Good Vibrations and grab a cheap vibe to wibble around with.

GIGGETY.

[rfurtkamp]

They've always been around that. Small company, still MIA I believe.

Or buy a used one.

The good thing on an ebow is that (a) it works reliably the same every time once you know how to use it - but can still cause massive chaos (b) if you break it, send in the unit and they typically replace/rehouse it for free. I've gone through I believe three or four trips back to the mothership with mine and haven't even ever had to pay postage back. The switches when abused by a cretin like me fail, it's like a footswitch failing on a pedal.

Vibrator/electronic motor of some type will make neat noises as well, just a case of right tool for the job.

[Andrew]

I have nothing to add.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehqKpPmVcK4[/youtube]

[sonidero]

You gotta have some skills to use an ebow on bass, they're made to sit on guitar strings and have lil notches on the bottom... It can be done on bass but you gotta practice a lil to figure out what it does and the best way to use it for your style... I think someone makes lil adapters for it to work on bass strings, just needs some flanges on the side and it would work...

[rustywire]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbpPIYy_YQk[/youtube]

This. I was going to post this or a reference to it. First thing I thought of in reading the last page
I've got the perfect ipad screencap of dude's face when he first opens it up and sees the fist.

[Jwar]

whoa. ebows are a hundy? gonna stop at Good Vibrations and grab a cheap vibe to wibble around with.

GIGGETY.

Vibrate these nuts you long haired sexy man beast!!!




Why is this all my fault? WHY!!!!

[Iommic Pope]

Because you brought the boners, dude.

You brought the boners.

[D.o.S.]

First of all, I hope for a positive outcome for the Dwarfcraft folks. Bummer that there is drama. Yinz seem like good people, and I hate to see good folks caught up in a shitstorm of drama.


Having said that, and without knowing the specifics of the contract that was mentioned, non-competes pretty much always have a time limit (and sometimes also a geographical limitation) in addition to the scope of business operations that is included. Even if the agreement was worded so that Devi (or whatever her name is at this point) could *never* build more pedals as part of a business venture, such an agreement is not enforceable. You cannot enforce "in perpetuity" limitations on a person's ability to seek work or conduct business, no matter what the wording of the contract says. And unless the contract included intellectual property covering all former Devi Ever brand names, using Effektor 13 probably isn't in breach either. Is it douchey? I'll leave to the judgement of the individual.

yeah, good point in perpetuity isn't generally enforceable.
there are some considerations to keep in mind though that could really weigh heavilly in dwarfcraft's favor.

Non-compete ancillary to employment and non-compete ancillary to sale of business are often handled differently since the latter is agreed to in an "at arm's length relationship"

Most states have separate law for those classes

For sale-of-biz non-competes things are usually a bit more liberal because of the relative parity of the parties. For example, IIRC in Wisc a non-enforceable employment non-compete can void the whole thing, where a sale-of-biz non-compete goes by a partial enforcement (ie the agreement will be enforced as per "reasonable" terms).


it's case by case, but 3-5 years is pretty typical (though that can depend). I think the situation of the thread is currently at something like only 18 months...that'd likely be within 'reasonable' period

The geographic stuff is also case-by-case as far as "reasonable" geographic area of operation. Like if the biz is installing multi-ton HVAC units, the geographic area will probably be more limited than, say an internet based provider. Since the pedals have typically been sold over the internet nationally, the geographic area of competition is probably pretty large.

The name stuff is a sticky one. It's tough to tell without seeing the contract, but the Effector13 name may be tied part-and-parcel to the Devi Ever brand (part of the Good Will assets transferred) since Effector13 was never a separate business venture, but was just a renaming of the company --- even the products didn't change name. At least that's the argument dwarfcraft could forward.

The "Devi Ever" moniker is both tougher and easier. I think it's Devi Ever's legal name, BUT it looks like she did sell that brand. One big big hitch for Devi though is that she basically abandoned that name (even criticizing that people who used it in relation to her were being disrespectful) and was representing herself, both personally and professionally using other names ...only switching back to Devi Ever right at the time she decided to return to effects building.
So it could be argued that she is trying to use the cache of the name in trade in a backhanded fashion.

There's never a certainty in litigation, butI'd think dwarfcraft would have a pretty decent case. since :
1) it's ancillary to sale of (so less constrained than employment related non compete)
2) the current duration of non-compete before alleged breach is only around 18 months
3) the nature of the biz is rather geographically wide (the areas served is going to be similar if not identical)
4) the type of offerings are very similar (devi's fuzzes are basically variations on the same circuit topology) and certainly no phasers or delays or anything, I doubt even other fuzz circuit topologies
5) the name change back to "devi" was essentially simultaneous with setting up shop again (which doesn't reflect well on good faith efforts of Devi the person)


It's a damn shame this is going on, but not totally unexpected as -- and I don't mean this as a personal slight, but let's be honest here -- Devi Ever's (person) way of conducting business is a complete and utter mess.

OK this is exciting and all but level with me: Joe Bonamassa. Greatest now, or greatest ever?

[Iommic Pope]

[D.o.S.]

I mean, yeah... but dude is a hell of a guitarist. I'm not particularly into the kind of music he plays, and I'll go elsewhere if I want the 'virtuoso + backing band' phenomenon, but I think he gets unfairly shit on for whatever reason.

[gordian knot]

OK this is exciting and all but level with me: Joe Bonamassa. Greatest now, or greatest ever?

Ginger Lynn = greatest ever.

Am I doing the ILF style right?

[D.o.S.]

I don't know.

[Confuzzled]

The latest I've seen is Devi posting about probably not receiving anymore royalty payments and not wanting anything to do with the dwarfcraft folks anymore. If the folks at dwarfcraft don't take legal action because of cost (which is totally understandable), I do hope that they take the money earmarked for Devi as royalty payments and put it in an escrow account in the event that this does turn litigious and they have to wind up paying. I really feel bad for these folks and find the way Devi conducts herself to be incredibly toxic to any and all involved. Nothing good can come from dealing with her. She seems to enjoy perpetuating this kind of BS to the point of teasing a new pedal called the "moda seiser."

Lots of good vibes to Louise and Ben and sympathy for trying to help someone who is clearly not rowing with both oars in the water and enjoying the waves they are causing.