fOXX Power Machine

[Chankgeez]

cachet

[zzuFrepuS]

What's the point in keeping a rare and out of production circuit hidden though?

probably think it will hurt resale.

pedals are great investments .

[Chankgeez]

Ain't no resale if nobody's reselling 'em.

[zzuFrepuS]

the pedal hedge funds feel resale value will be effected negatively if clones are plentiful when you go to sell. it's in Cramer's book, effects pedals futures, fuzz pedals for retirement.

[digi2t]

Well, damn the torpedos, full speed ahead...

Looking at the only two gutshots of the Select-a-fuzz (SAF), I found that there are markings that are fairly clear as to whether a component bridging two solder joints is a cap or resistor. Wire connections are bigger blobs, and the transistor legs are fairly straight across. Even the electro cap polarities are easy to pick up, with "+" and "-" symbols etched into the trace side. Connecting the dots, I get this;



So now, although we don't have any values, we at least have a platform to work with. I'm going to breadboard this, and using values based on similar circuits. Maybe the guys over at the other forums can suggest some values too.

Like the Buzzicon, we'll make this sucker our own.

[Chankgeez]

Awesome, Dino, thanks.

[tabbycat]

What's the point in keeping a rare and out of production circuit hidden though?

douche credits.

What's the point in keeping a rare and out of production circuit hidden though?

probably think it will hurt resale.

pedals are great investments .

pedals are machines whose intended purpose is to affect an instrument signal. that was their reason for being brought into existence. that is their primary purpose and reason for continuing to exist. end of.
all other considerations are marginal and/or bullshit.

once you start considering pedals as investments first, and tools second, you end up in the same queue as the wankers who buy records they won't play, star wars figures they won't take out of the box, and stamps they will never send. the living dead.

Well, damn the torpedos, full speed ahead...

Like the Buzzicon, we'll make this sucker our own.

many thanks indeed for the first salvo, dino. maximum respect to you.

[Chankgeez]

doing what you want doesn't inevitably make you an asshole.

Not that Ed needs me to stick up for him, but you just wrote a whole lot of bullshit about someone you apparently don't even know.

Seems like you especially don't know what Ed's relationship is with those two other individuals. So, whatever you write is just lurid speculation.

[Jero]

At any rate, thanks Digi2t for tracing that out. I'll start playing around with it soon, and share my findings.

[digi2t]

At any rate, thanks Digi2t for tracing that out. I'll start playing around with it soon, and share my findings.

Thanks. I'm going to mess with this on the weekend. I'll see where it goes.

[Chankgeez]

I'm interested to hear what you guys come up with.

[tabbycat]

doing what you want doesn't inevitably make you an asshole.

Not that Ed needs me to stick up for him, but you just wrote a whole lot of bullshit about someone you apparently don't even know.

Seems like you especially don't know what Ed's relationship is with those two other individuals. So, whatever you write is just lurid speculation.

@chankgeez

i vaugely know ed is the guy behind tonemachines website which i visit on occasion. it's a decent site and a good reference up to a point. i don't know anything about his relationships with other people and my observations were indeed speculation based solely on the comment posted by dino.
from the quote given it could be inferred that one was beholden to two. if you know these guys better then maybe you can't see that possibility. i don't know them and that could be inferred.
if you know the situation well, why do you think ed is being so coy about this one? i was speculating to try to make sense of that. if you know, inform us. it doesn't make sense to me. and dino seems to feel aggrieved by it too.

i follow all dino's stuff at fsb closely. he's a genuine explorer to me. someone on the cutting edge of pedal archaeology and someone always giving to the community. my impression was that dino felt another community member, who has benefitted from dino's generosity in the past, was holding back unreasonably, when the point of a community is to contribute.
in that context i can completely understand dino's frustration. and when a bonafide explorer stumbles across a gated community, i'll back the explorer every time.

if it was about damaging the board then that is it. end of. but the fact (fact not speculation) that ed is bringing other 'owners' into his reasoning ('ownership' being the uniting factor among them) suggests to me there is more to it than the pcb.
have pulled my 'speculation' re ed's comment since you seem to know the background to this better than i and suggest what i said was unfair. if you know something, fill in the gaps.

the rest of my comment was generalised stuff replying to boatrich and zzufrepus re the 'pedals as investments' and 'hoarding for cachet' scene. not specifically about anyone. if you don't think ed fits, exclude him.

[Chankgeez]

So, you're basing your position on something Dino said?

Dino has an agenda and I'm all in favor of Dino's agenda, but you still can't knock someone for not being willing to allow a pedal they own to be traced.

I don't know the situation well, I don't know anything more than what's being said publicly. Ed can tell little white lies about the reason he doesn't want to let someone trace a pedal and that's fine with me. Of course, I'd love it if he'd let someone trace it, but I'm not gonna speak ill about him if he doesn't.

[digi2t]

Guy, guys, guys... (or gals, not meaning to exclude the fairer sex)...

I bear no ill will. Not at all. I asked, he refused, that's it, end of story. The comment I did make on the issue over at DAM, was one of how Karma can be a bitch at times. Actually, I regret it now, but hey, live and learn. If Ed wishes to keep it a secret, for whatever reason, that's fine. Personally, it just adds a higher degree of difficulty to the endeavour, which in the end, renders a successful outcome that much sweeter.

I try to help out when I can, and from time to time, Lady Luck smiles upon me. I've had the honor of working with people that I respect enormously in this DIY pedal affair, and it's not because of the refusals along the way. I've had plenty of refusals, put downs, non-replies along the way, and if they affected me that much, I would have been out of this hobby a while back.

The way I see it, it's a bit like the Buzzicon (I keep refering to it, I know, but there's a situational semblance). In this case, it does exist, we have a topology that can be traced to plenty of other circuits, and one lousy video. That's good enough for me. My pantry and spice rack are full, so let's do a little cooking. I really don't give a shit if I nail the exact components, as long as I end up with a result that respects the trace, and sounds great. Hell, even the Ludwig Phase II had it's weaknesses, which we subsequently modded into the clone. The Buzzicon was somewhat the same creation; respect the trace (as much as I could), and get a decent result. Of course, that one was a bit tougher, going from germanium to silicon and all, but I did my best. In the case of the SAF, it'll be easier, and I think better, since many of the components can be left open for interpretation. In other words, if you want it a particular way, you can change this or that, and make it your own. And guess what, it'll still be a Select-a-fuzz. Maybe one that, to your ears, just sounds better than all the rest. Think of it as a Big Muff if you will. How many different versions of that have been pumped out over the decades, and still, every so often, a new variant comes out that blows minds.

Besides, when the great Gus Smalley states, "This could be fun to figure out...", then I KNOW this has the potential to be a great project. Sooooo.... let's just keep our eyes on the prize people.

EDIT:
Some friendly eyes over at diysb noticed some errors in my sleep deprived trace. Here's the corrected schematic;