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Re: Seppuku FX Icy Waters

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lordgalvar wrote:I dunno, something I have been thinking about:

We all know that the Nux is $35 or there abouts....lets just say to get it to Aus, it costs something like an extra $15 (don't know, but I am just rounding up to $50). Maybe he spends an extra $10 on parts/expendables (paint, solder, etc). Maybe he spends around two hours a pedal...or more or less. $125 an hour to work on something isn't unheard of (esp. when they have a full time job and people are paying them for their "spare" time). Plumbers charge around $100 an hour and my local lumber shop charges $100 for the first hour and $60 after that (I know those two generally have overhead, but there are independent shops that charge the same). When he sends them to a retailer he probably gets less because they sell for around the same price.

I dunno, I think some of the smaller builders gouge themselves to keep up with what consumers want (trying to compete with the prices of a streamlined operation that buys in enormous bulk is difficult). Hell, I was messing around buying the components for two pedals and I was up to $80 easily (buying ones and twos of things doesn't get you far in bulk pricing). When I got into pedals way back when everything was more expensive. Fuzzhugger, dwarfcraft and stuff are all insanely cheap compared to what I would used to have to pay and, I am not kidding, a bargain for their quality of build and stuff. I remember DBA selling the TSA for 150 and it was $20 in parts (probably and 10 of that was the switch) and maybe one hour of work? The E13 TBD I waited forever to get was 250...was there anymore work involved in that build versus what Seppuku is doing? At least I am not getting a printed sticker.

The only thing that I can be really critical of Seppuku for is the lack of communication. But if he sets a price and people pay it, then more power to everyone involved. I like his pedals and I think he has original designs that are inspirational. I dunno, sorry for rambling/ranting.
^ you have a good point about all that. whether that's to say that pedal builders are gouging themselves or that people in other professions overcharge for their time is maybe debatable but its probably the increasingly blurry line between 'hobbyist' and 'professional' that's making people increasingly conscious of what kind of cost/effort/time goes into the pedals they buy since the market is so inundated right now.

personally i never really questioned his prices, UNTIL i went to buy a pedal from him and the checkout had changed from AUD to USD even though he's in Australia, and that I was gonna be charged $25 'flat rate' shipping even though i'm the next state over and it would have cost not even half of that. that's where the line is drawn for me, he can set the pedal at whatever he thinks it's worth and i couldn't care less, at the end of the day we can buy it or not buy it there's no point fussing, but if he's happy to let someone local be charged in a foreign currency that's conveniently stronger than the AUD and be overcharged for shipping i'm out. i don't know if he's corrected this but it just made me lose interest. i actually love the chaotic shitty website but if the checkout system is just as fucked up then thats a different thing.
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Re: Seppuku FX Icy Waters

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Everything is stuffed into the battery compartment, and there's a lot going on in there. A bunch of wires, resistors, capacitors and of course the pots and bottom diode. The innards are just as pragmatic as any other Seppuku pedal.

Dandolin: I wonder why there's only one knob underneath on the IC Waters too. On the Digital Water there's one for wave height and one for frequency. Hopefully, Strange Tales can shed some light on what the one is doing on the newer version.

backwardsvoyager: Still USD and flat rate shipping, I'm afraid.
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Confuzzled wrote:I don't begrudge the guy for his price, hell he came up with something that makes a less than mediocre pedal cool, and from what other folks have said it's a bitch to work with that small housing. I'm curious as to the pots he used and how he wired the pots. When I first started a few years ago I was lucky enough to have a great engineer who was also a guitarist take interest in what I was doing and help me make some ugly sounds from some crappy toys. He even suggested wiring up a resistor to one of the posts to help keep the thing from shorting out. it's little tips like that that I was looking for... to see how rhys approached his bend would be a great starting point for me.

Did he move to New Zealand yet? Wonder if it's more expensive to ship there or Australia?
I wasn't criticizing you man. It was just a thought I had about the major criticism of this particular pedal. No worries man. I would just get those cheap hobby kits off amazon that way you have a variety of stuff to breadboard/test. It isn't a stagnant design he uses on anything. It all changes with the batches. He continues to experiment..why not do the same?

backwardsvoyager: I agree about the change in USD from AUD. That was strange to me. I think it all goes back to the communication thing. The flat rate shipping is weird too (though LAL/Hirofumi does the same thing, but refunds the difference because of his base paypal shop thing and he has kept his prices AUD). I dunno. I think that wordpress shop is just crazy and he should just go get one of those other free things (like storeenvy or whatever). Maybe he just put it into USD because that is the only place that buys his stuff? I dunno, the enigma of Seppuku.

The whole consumer-set pricing scheme is just strange. Like people will say no to paying an extra dollar for fresh corn, instead choosing the cheaper frugal corn in a can, while spending 800 on a new cell phone every year. I dunno, nobody had a problem with paying my old company 1k to set a $150 toilet (took about 30min to take out the old one, set a new one, etc when they could have done it themselves...seriously easy) but we complain if a pedal is over $200 (which is something we don't even need...it's a luxury (which is part of the problem...hobbies/possessions are becomming a nescessity instead of a luxury partially).

Now that I sound like a hippy...

UC/Dan: Maybe it is a dual pot with a push-pull switch? haha...I doubt it.
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lordgalvar wrote:backwardsvoyager: I agree about the change in USD from AUD. That was strange to me. I think it all goes back to the communication thing. The flat rate shipping is weird too (though LAL/Hirofumi does the same thing, but refunds the difference because of his base paypal shop thing and he has kept his prices AUD). I dunno. I think that wordpress shop is just crazy and he should just go get one of those other free things (like storeenvy or whatever). Maybe he just put it into USD because that is the only place that buys his stuff? I dunno, the enigma of Seppuku.
i mean it's obvious that the US is probably making up a majority of pedal sales but i still feel pretty conflicted about people charging in currencies other than their local. i'm sure plenty of people are ignorant and don't like doing currency conversions to check things but everyone using the USD is only gonna make that worse.
i haven't gone through the paypal cart on the LAL site but whenever i buy from Hirofumi he emails me with an invoice with shipping charged accurately and even covers the 10% GST tax himself for repeat customers (i'm pretty sure most other builders here dodge taxes on domestic sales altogether). as convenient as store platforms like wordpress and storenvy are, i think unless you're dealing in really high volume an enquiry form is the best method because it means there will always be initial exchange between the builder and customer, which prevents a lot of possible misunderstanding.
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backwardsvoyager wrote: i mean it's obvious that the US is probably making up a majority of pedal sales but i still feel pretty conflicted about people charging in currencies other than their local. i'm sure plenty of people are ignorant and don't like doing currency conversions to check things but everyone using the USD is only gonna make that worse.
i haven't gone through the paypal cart on the LAL site but whenever i buy from Hirofumi he emails me with an invoice with shipping charged accurately and even covers the 10% GST tax himself for repeat customers (i'm pretty sure most other builders here dodge taxes on domestic sales altogether). as convenient as store platforms like wordpress and storenvy are, i think unless you're dealing in really high volume an enquiry form is the best method because it means there will always be initial exchange between the builder and customer, which prevents a lot of possible misunderstanding.
I feel exactly the same way. I don't mind the currency conversion at all. Paypal, banks, etc make it so easy these days (instead of having to go to get a transfer or international money order and stuff like I did back when I got the first nanoloop and wanted to start my LAL path...). There is a reason I chose to stay with LAL all these years (beyond the awesome pedals). A lot of the Japanese businesses that I have dealt with do exactly what you say. You check out and don't pay until they send the invoice over. It is quite nice actually. Or just go exclusively through retailers. I know there is one here that stocked him last year and that one Japan shop seems to get stuff in from time to time.

Side note: Hirofumi is awesome...and I want his new pedals released...I've been kinda spinning my wheels with other stuff until then.
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^ he's a guy that performs with a gas-fired spring canister that shoots fire alongside a Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD). 'awesome' is putting it lightly ;) i'm not sure if he even tests the pedals on guitar :lol:
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All I can say is, "Fuckin' A".

Speaking of inspiring, Hirofumi's Defektro gallery.....mechanical bending....dang, man. I actually have some Defektro stuff around here. I was really inspired by him when I picked up a guitar the first time (I played bass before that and kinda started guitar around the sametime I discovered LAL). I had built weird bending and rhytmic noise devices to strap to my guitar just trying to imagine how some of that stuff worked haha.
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lordgalvar wrote:
Confuzzled wrote:I don't begrudge the guy for his price, hell he came up with something that makes a less than mediocre pedal cool, and from what other folks have said it's a bitch to work with that small housing. I'm curious as to the pots he used and how he wired the pots. When I first started a few years ago I was lucky enough to have a great engineer who was also a guitarist take interest in what I was doing and help me make some ugly sounds from some crappy toys. He even suggested wiring up a resistor to one of the posts to help keep the thing from shorting out. it's little tips like that that I was looking for... to see how rhys approached his bend would be a great starting point for me.

Did he move to New Zealand yet? Wonder if it's more expensive to ship there or Australia?
I wasn't criticizing you man. It was just a thought I had about the major criticism of this particular pedal. No worries man. I would just get those cheap hobby kits off amazon that way you have a variety of stuff to breadboard/test. It isn't a stagnant design he uses on anything. It all changes with the batches. He continues to experiment..why not do the same?

backwardsvoyager: I agree about the change in USD from AUD. That was strange to me. I think it all goes back to the communication thing. The flat rate shipping is weird too (though LAL/Hirofumi does the same thing, but refunds the difference because of his base paypal shop thing and he has kept his prices AUD). I dunno. I think that wordpress shop is just crazy and he should just go get one of those other free things (like storeenvy or whatever). Maybe he just put it into USD because that is the only place that buys his stuff? I dunno, the enigma of Seppuku.

The whole consumer-set pricing scheme is just strange. Like people will say no to paying an extra dollar for fresh corn, instead choosing the cheaper frugal corn in a can, while spending 800 on a new cell phone every year. I dunno, nobody had a problem with paying my old company 1k to set a $150 toilet (took about 30min to take out the old one, set a new one, etc when they could have done it themselves...seriously easy) but we complain if a pedal is over $200 (which is something we don't even need...it's a luxury (which is part of the problem...hobbies/possessions are becomming a nescessity instead of a luxury partially).

Now that I sound like a hippy...

UC/Dan: Maybe it is a dual pot with a push-pull switch? haha...I doubt it.

I didn't take what you said as criticism, just enjoying the conversation and really appreciative for the input from all.
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UglyCasanova wrote:Everything is stuffed into the battery compartment, and there's a lot going on in there. A bunch of wires, resistors, capacitors and of course the pots and bottom diode. The innards are just as pragmatic as any other Seppuku pedal.

Dandolin: I wonder why there's only one knob underneath on the IC Waters too. On the Digital Water there's one for wave height and one for frequency. Hopefully, Strange Tales can shed some light on what the one is doing on the newer version.

backwardsvoyager: Still USD and flat rate shipping, I'm afraid.

Wow, If I undertake this I'm guessing that I'd have to re-house it as well.

Being that I've only messed around with toys, does it have a chip on the board? With newer toys bending was a bitch because the factories started burying their chips under a glob of black epoxy. Is this the case here as well?
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I can take some pictures of my unbent nux in a minute. It is sitting in pieces on my work bench. But, yea, I don't remember goop. Just a little smd chip like something off a sound card
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sweet! Thanks!
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OK Seppuku GAS has fully erupted. It's a Seppuku Bloom! Hrrrmmm. Potential collab/crossover?
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DSP and etron technology chip of sorts...nothing fancy :lol:
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Yo, UC--that Digitizer. :love:

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He no make no more? :cry:
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