lordgalvar wrote:I don't deny they make neat stuff, I just don't like any of those modeled things. It probably cause I don't know what to do with them.
yeah when you have the real deal tape machines a digital emulation just doesn't do anything for me....although i've dipped my toe in them waters to lukewarm results as far as them sounding like the real deal but being interesting as their own thing. and i've got an old digitech gsp2101 for all the digital algorithms I could ever want to create.
I don't mind digital at all when it is trying to be digital (boss dsd-2 and stuff). I had problems with the CB echorec pedal just turning to mud and other modeling pedals just felt weird/different to me. I can't explain it, but they just feel stagnant if they are trying to be something else. I love my tape delay, but there are problems with it (volume drop, very short time) and I accept it. I guess I look at pedals differently than the normal guitar player (and a lot of builders of pedals, like strymon). I tend to meld my playing to my gear. I play different when using my beebaa and ringmod than I do using the rattle crow and a tape delay. Heck, I play different when using my jag or my silvertone. I guess that is why I like seppuku, lastgasp, masf and stuff because I have to find out how to play it instead of making it fit with what a guitar or something should be played.
Probably why I like ring mods in general. But the way that Rhys has approached his pedal design from a somewhat different angle is really nice. Like everyone else has said...value is relative and haters are going to hate.
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Ugly Nora wrote:Cost doesn't dictate value. Not a complicated concept.
BRO!!!! SPEAK ENGRISH!
No you're totally right.
I over pay for stuff in other people's minds all the time. It's what you think it's worth. Right? That's the whole point of it to me.
Some things are expensive, some are cheap. Both can be great.
I'd honestly try out more the Seppuku stuff if their rep wasn't so damn bad. I'm tired of messing with crappy service. Ain't nobody got time for that. lol
"I do not have the ability to think rationally 90% of the time and I also change my mind at the drop of a hat".
lg-I hit a DSD based on your comments on ILF and that thing is pure win-so thanks for that! I'm gonna pair it up with my to-be-circuit-fried Nux Vomica, see what gives. I lov3 life, ain't gonna waste too much time on Strymon hatin', 'cept when there' s an easy lulz-can't pass up the low-hangin' fruitz.
And UC--tanks for the Demooooooz! I love that IC Water-wanna hear it wit teh Judderz!
"In a moment of unparalleled genius, Noel Parachute headed off this potential disaster by unplugging the microphone."
Dandolin wrote:lg-I hit a DSD based on your comments on ILF and that thing is pure win-so thanks for that! I'm gonna pair it up with my to-be-circuit-fried Nux Vomica, see what gives. I lov3 life, ain't gonna waste too much time on Strymon hatin', 'cept when there' s an easy lulz-can't pass up the low-hangin' fruitz.
And UC--tanks for the Demooooooz! I love that IC Water-wanna hear it wit teh Judderz!
Haha, Thanks man (I generally just ramble on here, partially because everyone around here gets too bored with me talking about random stuff). Good to know I am doing some good. haha. It was really something more than I though it was going to be. I was getting some pretty random repeats outta mine. I just sold mine like an idiot . Going to get one again someday.
-Ring Mods!
"I make you chocolate"
-comesect69-via-Majin Buu-by-way-of-Dirge/mtl.asm and special consideration from CA Anderton
Yeah-I think these are great to have around...there's something healthy? about wrangling unique sounds out of a more "limited" pedal sometimes. Plus, they're still so cheap right now, and just as a standard delay the quality of the repeats is so nice and crunchy--I want to set up some nice glitchy skritchy beats with a pocket operator and feed that into the trigger in THREADJACK!
"In a moment of unparalleled genius, Noel Parachute headed off this potential disaster by unplugging the microphone."
UglyCasanova wrote: I thought of doing CT5->Water->Judder->Vessel's End or something, but it might have ripped a hole in the space time continuum.
You are on a serious roll right now man! Keep 'em coming--the gearz you're totin' got some serious synergistic potential! Bring on the logarithmic randomosity!
You still got dat Echo Degrader? Smear some'o'dat grainy goodness on the DigiH2O and glitchies! Worried about ripping holes in the space time continuum? I say let'er rip! What's to say things ain't better over there on the other side of the wormhole? No, seriously-keep me away from the supercollider controls! I have queztionable judgment and I can't stop exclaiming!
"In a moment of unparalleled genius, Noel Parachute headed off this potential disaster by unplugging the microphone."
To get back on topic. If anyone has an image of the guts, please PM me. I am not looking to rip anyone off, just looking for ideas as a starting point. I have circuit bent a few toys in the past (used to work for mattel and had some stuff at my disposal) but never anything as small as a pedal and I am a novice at best.
We all know that the Nux is $35 or there abouts....lets just say to get it to Aus, it costs something like an extra $15 (don't know, but I am just rounding up to $50). Maybe he spends an extra $10 on parts/expendables (paint, solder, etc). Maybe he spends around two hours a pedal...or more or less. $125 an hour to work on something isn't unheard of (esp. when they have a full time job and people are paying them for their "spare" time). Plumbers charge around $100 an hour and my local lumber shop charges $100 for the first hour and $60 after that (I know those two generally have overhead, but there are independent shops that charge the same). When he sends them to a retailer he probably gets less because they sell for around the same price.
I dunno, I think some of the smaller builders gouge themselves to keep up with what consumers want (trying to compete with the prices of a streamlined operation that buys in enormous bulk is difficult). Hell, I was messing around buying the components for two pedals and I was up to $80 easily (buying ones and twos of things doesn't get you far in bulk pricing). When I got into pedals way back when everything was more expensive. Fuzzhugger, dwarfcraft and stuff are all insanely cheap compared to what I would used to have to pay and, I am not kidding, a bargain for their quality of build and stuff. I remember DBA selling the TSA for 150 and it was $20 in parts (probably and 10 of that was the switch) and maybe one hour of work? The E13 TBD I waited forever to get was 250...was there anymore work involved in that build versus what Seppuku is doing? At least I am not getting a printed sticker.
The only thing that I can be really critical of Seppuku for is the lack of communication. But if he sets a price and people pay it, then more power to everyone involved. I like his pedals and I think he has original designs that are inspirational. I dunno, sorry for rambling/ranting.
-Ring Mods!
"I make you chocolate"
-comesect69-via-Majin Buu-by-way-of-Dirge/mtl.asm and special consideration from CA Anderton
I don't begrudge the guy for his price, hell he came up with something that makes a less than mediocre pedal cool, and from what other folks have said it's a bitch to work with that small housing. I'm curious as to the pots he used and how he wired the pots. When I first started a few years ago I was lucky enough to have a great engineer who was also a guitarist take interest in what I was doing and help me make some ugly sounds from some crappy toys. He even suggested wiring up a resistor to one of the posts to help keep the thing from shorting out. it's little tips like that that I was looking for... to see how rhys approached his bend would be a great starting point for me.
Did he move to New Zealand yet? Wonder if it's more expensive to ship there or Australia?
Agree--some of the prices for boutique fx are crazy low when you consider time/small volume costs and the cost to DIY similar. As for IC Water, I've paid as much for some things that don't make me wiggle as much when I hear them--I consider it a personal block only that keeps me from just buying one. That and teh budgetz and cash flowz. Also, not sure I was thrilled that the bend seemed to morp from two knob control to one. I do like ma nobbies in proliferation. But as to the entirety of the Seppuku FX line? That's some seriously good line....
"In a moment of unparalleled genius, Noel Parachute headed off this potential disaster by unplugging the microphone."
Confuzzled wrote:I don't begrudge the guy for his price, hell he came up with something that makes a less than mediocre pedal cool, and from what other folks have said it's a bitch to work with that small housing. I'm curious as to the pots he used and how he wired the pots. When I first started a few years ago I was lucky enough to have a great engineer who was also a guitarist take interest in what I was doing and help me make some ugly sounds from some crappy toys. He even suggested wiring up a resistor to one of the posts to help keep the thing from shorting out. it's little tips like that that I was looking for... to see how rhys approached his bend would be a great starting point for me.
Did he move to New Zealand yet? Wonder if it's more expensive to ship there or Australia?
Maybe one of those other forums into the DIY can help? Or maybe move/clone this thread into the ILFdiy subforum?
"In a moment of unparalleled genius, Noel Parachute headed off this potential disaster by unplugging the microphone."
. Going to get one again someday.
Maybe one of those other forums into the DIY can help? Or maybe move/clone this thread into the ILFdiy subforum?