Teach Me: Combining Two Signals

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I've been going crazy trying to remember this company's name since reading this thread.. finally found it.
something like this?

http://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/puch ... pedal.html
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resincum wrote:I've been going crazy trying to remember this company's name since reading this thread.. finally found it.
something like this?

http://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/puch ... pedal.html
This looks really cool, but I don't think I would ever use more than two channels.
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+12 for LS2

Also fun to run things other than 2 guitar signals through. ;)
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i got one of these
cause i couldnt afford ls2 at the time
which i still wish i had
but this behringer jam boosts each channel too
its kinda handy to have around
someone here is making something similar
with toggles on the middle 2 channels
so it can go 3in/1out,2in/2out,1in/3out
with a footswitch i believe
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^ m audio used to make lil mixers like that back when they were called midiman. i think u can grab them for cheaps now
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ryan summit wrote:someone here is making something similar
with toggles on the middle 2 channels
so it can go 3in/1out,2in/2out,1in/3out
That'd be Montreal Assembly...
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So this thread's a little old, but I'm reviving it since I now have what I need to piece this together. What do you all do to modulate your Freeze pedals? I'd like to add some texture to subtle drones I'm going to play over.
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Aforementioned was phase inversion; this is indeed one of the wildcards when running parallel signals. The other is volume level.

Phase inversion: Some effects pedals will not be in phase with others when run in parallel, resulting in a substantially altered tone (usually this means a thin, hollow sound compared to the in-phase signal). Be it a Y cable or a Boss LS2, a pedal without phase inversion switch means that you sound might be out of phase, depending on how the pedals get along when run in parallel. A splitter or summer that has the option of inverting phase will allow you to run pretty much any combination of pedals in parallel, without phase issues.

Level buffering: Splitting a signal weakens it. If you leave the EHX preamp on all of of the time, this this should not be an issue. If you plan on turning the EHX off, and if the EHX has true/unbuffered bypass, then might have level issues with a split signal. it depends on how you are using the EHX.

The Radial Big Shot ABY is a good bet if you want to have insurance against phase mismatches. It's passive, not terribly big (though it is fairly heavy), and it has a phase inversion switch.
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HAVN wrote:So this thread's a little old, but I'm reviving it since I now have what I need to piece this together. What do you all do to modulate your Freeze pedals? I'd like to add some texture to subtle drones I'm going to play over.
El Cap is my go to. The tape degradation settings give a lot of subtle movement and everything just sounds pretty.

A manual flanger/really short delay with resonance is another favorite of mine.

& depending on the algorithm, a reverse delay can do some cool choppy sounds when fed a drone.
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themeanreds wrote:Aforementioned was phase inversion; this is indeed one of the wildcards when running parallel signals. The other is volume level.

Phase inversion: Some effects pedals will not be in phase with others when run in parallel, resulting in a substantially altered tone (usually this means a thin, hollow sound compared to the in-phase signal). Be it a Y cable or a Boss LS2, a pedal without phase inversion switch means that you sound might be out of phase, depending on how the pedals get along when run in parallel. A splitter or summer that has the option of inverting phase will allow you to run pretty much any combination of pedals in parallel, without phase issues.

Level buffering: Splitting a signal weakens it. If you leave the EHX preamp on all of of the time, this this should not be an issue. If you plan on turning the EHX off, and if the EHX has true/unbuffered bypass, then might have level issues with a split signal. it depends on how you are using the EHX.

The Radial Big Shot ABY is a good bet if you want to have insurance against phase mismatches. It's passive, not terribly big (though it is fairly heavy), and it has a phase inversion switch.
Well one of my brothers gave me an LS-2 for Christmas. I guess the only way to know if I'm having phase issues (wish I had dug into this point more deeply) will be to give this whole venture a try.
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kbit wrote:
HAVN wrote:So this thread's a little old, but I'm reviving it since I now have what I need to piece this together. What do you all do to modulate your Freeze pedals? I'd like to add some texture to subtle drones I'm going to play over.
El Cap is my go to. The tape degradation settings give a lot of subtle movement and everything just sounds pretty.

A manual flanger/really short delay with resonance is another favorite of mine.

& depending on the algorithm, a reverse delay can do some cool choppy sounds when fed a drone.
I was thinking of something more in the tremolo / vibrato realm, à la Warped Vinyl. Here's what the board looks like currently:

Guitar >> EHX Tube Preamp RI >>
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EHX RO >> Tuner >> Akai Head Rush >> Moog MF Drive >> Big Sky RI >>
EHX LO >> On/Off Switch >> EHX Freeze >> [modulation] >> Mission Volume >> Big Sky LI >>
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Big Sky RO / LO >> Boss LS-2 >> Amplifier
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Anyone have any experience with these? https://reverb.com/item/63918-saturnwor ... itar-pedal

If I do modulate the drone I'd like to keep the chain from modulating the rest of my playing.

Thanks for any ideas.
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