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AngryGoldfish wrote:That's a bit extreme. I don't think there are any bands I loved that are now 'dead to me'. The Hunter may have sucked, but everyone makes dodgy albums. Shit happens. I can understand disliking the newer stuff, but Blood Mountain is only a little bit more polished than Leviathan, slightly less raw, and maybe a little more progressive. You can't expect every album to sound the same. Blood Mountain was an incredibly intelligent record, and those that say it's not heavy or crazy enough... Bladecatcher? I think Leviathan is just as good, but I personally prefer Blood Mountain because it was the first album of theirs that I truly digested. That was one of the most played records in my collection. Crack the Skye was just as good as well, but I thought they struggled to perform the songs live. The vocal harmonies and all the complexities just couldn't be replicated properly. They bit off a little more than they could chew, but it was phenomenal on CD, IMO. I get why some don't like CtS and The Hunter, and I understand why others don't like Remission, but I don't understand the hate for Blood Mountain.
Black Flag is dead to me. There are probably other bands, but that's the only one that jumps to my mind in my pre-caffeinated state. Wait, Metallica, too.
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P-90's are the best style of pickup for chord clarity under high gain, love em. I've recently started using rail pickups though and I'm really impressed by them, they seem to be more full range than normal pickups with amazing crunch and clarity. Rail HB in the bridge with a p-90 in the neck would make me one happy camper.
Or maybe P90 rails?

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AngryGoldfish wrote:Or maybe P90 rails?

http://www.railhammer.com/
Interesting... I'll have to look into these tonight. As of right now though I don't have a guitar to put them in haha
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Ancient Astronaught wrote:
chillerthanmost wrote:I'm a huge fan of playing heavy with single coils. I mainly use P90's but I'd rock a jazzy, a tele, and for a short while I was rocking a strat. I never play humbuckers anymore. Most of them sound dull and somewhat scooped to me at times. I did like the 57's in my Gibson when I had that, though. But I'm just a sucker for P90's now. Next I want a jazzmaster with telecaster routing/pickups.
P-90's are the best style of pickup for chord clarity under high gain, love em. I've recently started using rail pickups though and I'm really impressed by them, they seem to be more full range than normal pickups with amazing crunch and clarity. Rail HB in the bridge with a p-90 in the neck would make me one happy camper.
Have you tried Railhammer pickups? For that matter, does anyone have an opinion about Railhammers?

EDIT: sorry, missed that they were mentioned on the previous page...
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I've not tried them personally, but they use Ceramic magnets and probably won't be as warm or smooth as a vintage PAF with Alnico magnets. Joe Naylor, the guy who designed the Railhammer pickups and all the other Reverend pickups, would disagree with that—and the reason why is maybe because of the extra large pole pieces on the individual side—but we're talking minute details here. I've heard many people say Railhammer are warm and smooth sounding, but it won't have the same sound as an Alnico humbucker. If you're a purist or a traditionalist, you might not like them as much as your Lollar's, but I don't know anyone here that is a purist. Many use Ceramic magnets in their pickups or with outputs of around 22K and don't have any reservations recommending them to others. Others user low output Tele pickups, or active models, it doesn't matter.
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Ancient Astronaught wrote:
AngryGoldfish wrote:Or maybe P90 rails?

http://www.railhammer.com/
Interesting... I'll have to look into these tonight. As of right now though I don't have a guitar to put them in haha
These look interesting. And good enough for Fu Manchu.... hmmmm.....
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AngryGoldfish wrote:I've not tried them personally, but they use Ceramic magnets and probably won't be as warm or smooth as a vintage PAF with Alnico magnets. Joe Naylor, the guy who designed the Railhammer pickups and all the other Reverend pickups, would disagree with that—and the reason why is maybe because of the extra large pole pieces on the individual side—but we're talking minute details here. I've heard many people say Railhammer are warm and smooth sounding, but it won't have the same sound as an Alnico humbucker. If you're a purist or a traditionalist, you might not like them as much as your Lollar's, but I don't know anyone here that is a purist. Many use Ceramic magnets in their pickups or with outputs of around 22K and don't have any reservations recommending them to others. Others user low output Tele pickups, or active models, it doesn't matter.
I'm not exactly looking for warm and smooth, I kinda want something cold and crunchy. Maybe that's why I usually prefer ceramic pickups. :idk:
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AngryGoldfish wrote:Or maybe P90 rails?

http://www.railhammer.com/
Interesting... I'll have to look into these tonight. As of right now though I don't have a guitar to put them in haha
These look interesting. And good enough for Fu Manchu.... hmmmm.....
Ya, can't wait to listen in tonight and see what these suckers can do.
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Then I'd say you should check out Railhammer.
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i was just lookin at the deathbuckers
says resistance is 5k ohms
for some reason i thought higher #s
meant more output/louder/gnarlier
but i made that up im sure
can someone explain pickup resistance to me
in the context of heaviness/chunkiness/feedbackiness
im gonna swap the pickups in the new samick
was gonna jones for a bareknuckle
and prob just get a gfs loudmouth again
maybe a p90 in the neck
but the deathbuckker description seems up my alley
just the resistance threw me off
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Deathbuckers and alumitones in general are wound A LOT differently than normal pickups. Their resistance might be low but they are loud as shit
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ryan summit wrote:i was just lookin at the deathbuckers
says resistance is 5k ohms
for some reason i thought higher #s
meant more output/louder/gnarlier
but i made that up im sure
can someone explain pickup resistance to me
in the context of heaviness/chunkiness/feedbackiness
im gonna swap the pickups in the new samick
was gonna jones for a bareknuckle
and prob just get a gfs loudmouth again
maybe a p90 in the neck
but the deathbuckker description seems up my alley
just the resistance threw me off

I really enjoy my alumitones. I have a deathbucker bridge and regular alumitone neck pickup in Red
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Take anything you know about resistance values meaning high output and through them out the window when it comes to alumitones. I recorded our whole new album with this guitar and these pickups. Unfortunately, its off to the presses and we haven't released anything to the public yet.

I can say that I have another guitar with bareknuckle nailbomb humbuckers in them and found them too hot, and more scooped than I liked them to be. The alumitones quickly won out over the other guitar.

They have a weirdly flat response tonally. No scooping that I could see. I really did understand after i put them in the first time. They have a clarity that is akin to p90s (i have another guitar with p90s) but you have the humbucker-esque feedback control. I feel like the tone controls on my amp and guitar and pedals are way more responsive with these pickups simply because the even response makes it so you aren;t fighting the pickups tonal character with your amp or pedal eq. I have mine wired in split "coil" mode so that the bridge is acting like a single "coil" most of the time. I find it gives me a really good bite on palm mutes. if you doof around with pedals, it plays very well with them.


I have zero idea how these pickups work. when you flip them over (see picture) there is no coil winding. It seriously looks like they hot glued some wires to the back of a fucking magnet and somehow magic happens.
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ryan summit wrote:i was just lookin at the deathbuckers
says resistance is 5k ohms
for some reason i thought higher #s
meant more output/louder/gnarlier
but i made that up im sure
can someone explain pickup resistance to me
in the context of heaviness/chunkiness/feedbackiness
im gonna swap the pickups in the new samick
was gonna jones for a bareknuckle
and prob just get a gfs loudmouth again
maybe a p90 in the neck
but the deathbuckker description seems up my alley
just the resistance threw me off
Yeah, as folks have said, Alumitones are not measured equally to other models. 5k resistance on a Deathbucker is not the same as 5k on a Gibson pickup.
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That's because you need to know the magnet type and inductance and the resistance to get an idea of the output
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Fucking love alumitones. I've got one alumitone and one regular pickup in my Jazzbass and it just makes the stock pickup sound horrible
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I've just tried to figure out how they work from a physics perspective. I always the physics in a normal pickup, but this? crazy town banana pants. You're E & M is better than mine, so i'm sure it makes sense to you, but its just crazy to me.
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Thanks for the details on the lace pickups. I had been looking at them because they have the 7 string pickups too and was considering them if I ever felt the need to switch out the dimarzios I have in my guitar right now.


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