As rhythm guitarist I'm looking for LFO sounds for rhythmic textures...something like:
1. Prometheus DLX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLHjsS1atYw (sound from 01:31min)
OK,this pedal is great...sub for wah and IMO one of the best filter pedal.Downside is there's no memory presets.
2.EHX 8 Program http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ozgD65Tow4
Not expensive,big pedal,a lot of control,realy like it,but you need exp input...plus memory pedal (if you want) - spacey
3. Pro poly-mod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-myQUjGL34 (sound from 00:06 min- LFO random)
Memory slots,24 e.filter,sub for wah & phaser,eq option...it's big.No,it's very big.Pink color :P
but not so expensive, looks like a regular effects procesor not classic pedal.
4. Wahoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgaUFbLy6_U (sounds from 03:57 min) Arpeggiator sounding
It has expression pedal build in,a lot of filter mods,sub for classic wah.
But 100 presets?? it's too much & I think that if you're using maybe 5 mods it's difficult to jump from number 5 to 55.
I didn't see that you can save your settings...
5. EQD Arpanoid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PMoROB0wIA
I always consider this like a too experimental pedal...but now "I can see the light"
Awesome pedal,it's not filter pedal.It wouldn't sub any of my pedal but it's sound great.
You can control speed only with knob.Good sound with dirt pedals...almost synthish.
Maybe add the Knas Moisturizer to your list. Can do rhythmic textures easily, has a full feature filter that sounds amazing and is without a resonance limiter, cv inputs for everything, also a spring reverb with exposed and removable tray so you can add a nice spring reverb to your arsenal, or get your noise on, or subtle textures that you further manipulate through the synth section of the unit. pretty versatile.
edit; moogerfooger rig mod has a dual waveform lfo for some nice rhythmic action.
Midnight Rider wrote:Moogerfooger ring mod is a bad motherF...I know
thanks for advice
You might also want to check out the 4ms The Atoner. Its quite the pedal. Only $130 for complete diy kit.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIwP3_YZEYQ[/youtube]
As primarily a rhythm guitarist as well, almost my entire rig revolves around whatever can accept MIDI clock. Most of my MIDI gear can, and is, sync'd to MIDI clock, which I can control via the Molten Voltage Master Control, or automate via Ableton. Out of the list you've posted, I have the Slicer, the Wahoo, and the 8 Step. This is what I've learned to date;
Slicer - Fairly one dimensional in the sense that you can't call up presets. You need to physically get down to the unit, and tweak it to get what you want. I does however accept MIDI clock input or tap tempo, so that's a plus if you're tapping, or using some other form of BPM management. I use it generally on one setting, flipping it in and out of my audio matrix, or you can set up to a 40 sec loop of a sound byte, and layer over that. It's stereo, which is a plus in my rig, and allows for some nifty panning effects. Minus; It's overpriced. For the price of a new one, keep your eyes peeled for a used Boss GT-8/10, or GT-PRO rack unit. I found a GT-PRO for $300, which is a hundred more than what I paid for the Slicer new, but it's got the Slicer incorporated, plus a billion other things, lots of which can also be rhythmically based via MIDI. Of course, I'm kicking myself now for having bought the Slicer, but hey, live and learn.
8 Step - This is what we mechanics would call a "cheater bar". You know, that piece of pipe that you stick on the end of the ratchet to get a bit more torque. On it's own, it's a useless piece of pipe, but on the end of a ratchet, you can magically move mountains (well... you know what I mean). The 8 Step is such a "cheater bar". Connected to anything that can accept CV, it can be magical as well. Arpeggios, in between notes, bloops, bleeps, peoperly set up and sync'd, it can help "move your mountain", so to speak. It too accepts MIDI clock, and some extra commands as well. Minus; Limited memory for user presets (only 10), but you can shell out more dough for the preset memory footswitcher if you need more. No CV kill when you stop the sequence, which is majorly annoying, but I have a fix for that. Only works for CV based stuff, so anything MIDI gets left out. I'm using it to arpeggiated my Schumann PLL clone, and that's it. Could use a home built sequencer, but the fact that it can align with my MIDI clock stuff gives it the edge. All in all, a decent piece of kit, but not perfect. EHX really has to fix the kill CV output on stop issue, and to date, their user forum sucks insofar as getting anything technical considered.
Wahoo - All I can say is... Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Your worry about the presets is for not. You have 99 factory presets, and 99 spots to save your own presets. You can save them in any order. Comes with an excellent editor, so you can create/tweak/save your patches via USB in real time. The pedal can run from any 9vdc power adapter (I mean ANY... polarity is unimportant, it self-adjusts), from USB, or from batteries. No pedal pot to wear out, it uses a proximity sensor arrangement to detect the movement. Dual filters also means dual LFO's, which can really allow for some interesting waveform creation. Accepts MIDI clock input. Also accepts all sorts of other MIDI commands, and as a matter of fact, a recent firmware update expands on the MIDI capability even more. Those updates were in direct response to input from users, such as myself, as to improvements that could be incorporated via their forum. That just shows that it's a product that is built by folks who care, and that are willing to support that product properly. Heck, before the last update, they were even nice enough to write a custom firmware update, just for me! There was a particular MIDI function that I needed, but hadn't been incorporated into the units yet, so they bailed me out until the next major update came out. If that isn't customer service, I don't know what is. OK, enough gushing, now for the minus; Not stereo. OK, I'm nit picking on that one, but my rig is stereo, and imagining having each filter assigned to it's own field in a stereo set up, would be mind altering. Too bad. You need a USB to MIDI convertor for MIDI comms, the unit only has a USB interface. This means that not only are you forking out over 300 some-odd dollars for the unit, but you also need a Kenton MIDI USB host, at another 100 some-odd dollars. Yes... a pricey affair. But, in my view, this unit has replaced every single wah... hell, expression pedal orientated pedal that I've ever owned. Several Crybabies, a Korg Mr. Multi, Ludwig Phase II clone, Vocalizer, Talking Pedal, the list goes on, are all sitting in my closet now. So, does the cost justify the result? You bet! It sits front and center on my pedalboard.
The only other thing I can add is, do your homework. Read the manuals, thoroughly. Critically examine your setup, and most importantly, question yourself as to what is desire, and what is need. Ideally, you want something that will integrate well with your existing gear, play nice with the most amount of available gear in your set up, have enough flexibility that it will conform to future musical needs, and hopefully won't break your bank account in the process.
Midnight Rider wrote:8 step is great in this video with Pitchfactor,Slicer & Boss syb5 :
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAdBdLFfs1w[/youtube]
I was listening to Don Caballero and paused it for this video, then went to another browser tab and after a few minutes had to check if i actually paused the song and if the video is playing or what the hell is happening super nice
Generally phasers and filters with Square wave work great, the thump is usually really prominent
Derelict78 wrote:Well digi I think you have sold me on the Wahoo. The price was a bit off putting at first but now I can see the value, thanks!
Just be forewarned that it's a new twist on old technology. Even though, the folks at Sonuus (especially James, point man, and forum moderator) have put out a quality product. It had a few bugs off the line, but attention to customer feedback, fast support, and listening to the user base to create firmware updates that not only work, but suit the needs of the users, have taken care of them. The software front end is an absolute must, and is brilliantly designed. Being able to visualize the frequency sweeps, LFO waves, and even the vowel range sections, allows you to quick fashion a sound that can wow a crowd. Like I said before, I just wish that it was stereo, with the capacity to split the two filters left and right. That would have been the Cat's Ass. MIDI cons direct on the unit, instead of needing the interface, would have been choice as well.
Midnight Rider wrote:@digi2t
realy nice reply...alot of useful info,thanks
No problem. Like I said, I regret purchasing the Slicer, especially since it's rather limited in it's use. I'm probably going to put it on the block, since my GT-PRO can do the job, plus plus plus more. No point using up precious real estate for nothing. Just hate to see someone fall into the same trap.
super nice
