Palms (members of ISIS + Chino Moreno)

[Jwar]

I like it! Love both bands. Seems like a perfect combination.

[D.o.S.]

Still though I get why people didn't like Wavering Radiant, I personally did.

I've said it before, and all of the doom/stoner/sludge/stoner/aaronturnerisgod/oldmangloomfans guys made fun of me for it, but I don't care. I fucking LOVE Wavering Radiant, it has the most epic crescendos they ever did, and it has this psych edge to it that the earlier albums didn't. The climax in Hall of the Dead and the slide solo in Threshold of Transformation make me nut my pants. I think it is the best Isis album, fucking period, end of sentence

(yes, I think it is better than Panopticon)

Everything in this post exists in the absence of truth.

Wavering Radiant was so shitty it broke the band up/they'd reached a creative dead end with the penultimate record and didn't realize it until they'd released WR. You could tell on the reunion tour--they were about a million times more excited to play songs from their catalog that didn't suck.

I'm still going to make fun of you, is what I'm trying to say.

If you disagree, Put on your prog cape and joust, son.

[GardenoftheDead]

Honestly, each member is as important as each other.

+1 - and everyone always forgets Cliff Meyer, who I respect the hell out of, since in addition to Isis, he's such a huge part of Red Sparowes.

I honestly think Cliff added just about nothing to Isis at all.

[kbit]

I know with Panopticon they broke off into small groups to start ideas and stuff, and even regardless of that instance I imagine he was a decent part of the writing process. & really, the synths and other textural stuff may not be very striking or upfront, but the music wouldn't be the same without them.

I think he did guitar as well?

[D.o.S.]

Yup. If you ever saw 'em live, you would have been able to see exactly what Cliff brought to the table.

ISIS's dudes were all pretty significant, even if you're only factoring composition into the picture.

Holy shit Oceanic is 11 years old.

[bigchiefbc]

Honestly, each member is as important as each other.

+1 - and everyone always forgets Cliff Meyer, who I respect the hell out of, since in addition to Isis, he's such a huge part of Red Sparowes.

I honestly think Cliff added just about nothing to Isis at all.

I don't know the ins and outs of their writing process, but Cliff filled out the sound a fucking LOT live, both with the synths, and with an occasional third guitar. And the synths are more prominent on WR than on previous albums.

[bigchiefbc]

Everything in this post exists in the absence of truth.

Wavering Radiant was so shitty it broke the band up/they'd reached a creative dead end with the penultimate record and didn't realize it until they'd released WR. You could tell on the reunion tour--they were about a million times more excited to play songs from their catalog that didn't suck.

I'm still going to make fun of you, is what I'm trying to say.

If you disagree, Put on your prog cape and joust, son.

I love ya DOS.

[Andrew]

Yup. If you ever saw 'em live, you would have been able to see exactly what Cliff brought to the table.

ISIS's dudes were all pretty significant, even if you're only factoring composition into the picture.

Holy shit Oceanic is 11 years old.

Weight almost kills Oceanic for me. It's too long, poorly placed and its just jarring and annoying having it sandwiched between the bombastic tracks on that album. I have to uncheck it on my playlists because having to sit through the song and even skipping the track just kind of kills the mood.

It's a pretty criticism I know.

[D.o.S.]

I don't even think it's a petty criticism. I just don't believe that anyone could hate that song.

Y'all are fuckin' cray.

Also, this thread has persuaded me to give Wavering a relisten, which I haven't done since the record's release (various live incarnations personally witnessed excluded).

[kbit]

Sorry to keep perpetuating this thread about Isis over Palms, but "False Light" is the best track on Oceanic fo' sho'