Akai E2 loop drift?

[RR Bigman]

Started trying to play along with a drum machine (that would be the Korg ER-1) recently. I'm using the Headrush E2 for loops, and it seems that it's drifting out of time from the sequenced drum machine over a period of about 20-30 seconds at which point it's completely out of time. Now, I assume I'm just slightly out of time with my looping and those minute differences slowly build up until it's audible, but I figured I'd see if anyone has any experience with sequenced instruments and looping with a pedal. Is this something that requires laser like precision? Does the E2 have a penchant for drifting out of time? Perhaps the ER-1 has a sketchy sequencer? Thanks for the help in advance gaiz

[Dr. Sherman Sticks M.D.]

i've tried this many times with different loopers. had a very difficult time getting them to sync up exactly and forever. i think its mainly that those small differences build up over time. unless you have robot like timing.

[Grrface]

Sounds like what happens with most looping, to be honest. Maybe I just haven't practiced enough, but I've never once managed to get a loop to stay in time. It's fine if I'm by myself, but with a drummer or even just another guitarist, the loop drift usually ends up kinda screwing everything.

Only person I've ever seen manage it really well is univalve in Analog Pattern Robots, and I think his drummer is synced with click to the looper?

[RR Bigman]

ah hell....thanks for the help gentlemen. There go my solo noiserock plans. I need to find a looper with midi sync

[skullservant]

Get up on that Digitech jank with the Jam sync. I just might have to myself for group loops. Have one synced to the looper on whoever elses board

[RR Bigman]

Get up on that Digitech jank with the Jam sync. I just might have to myself for group loops. Have one synced to the looper on whoever elses board

those are freaking sweet.... chaining like 5 of those together would be tits

[Dr. Sherman Sticks M.D.]

wonder if the digitech sync pulse is the same as the sync pulse in those new korg boxes or the monotribes. that would be fun.

[RR Bigman]

I assumed the new korgs were using CV or something....in keeping with the "analog" vibe. Honestly though, I didn't take a very in depth look at them, on account of not wanting to window shop. I really need something that'll slave to the ER-1 to trigger the punch in/out of the loop. I'll probably just end up sending the korg through the headrush until I have the cash to check out another looper...I'll have to whip up an A/B/Y box or something....I think I have all the parts except an enclosure laying in my drawer.

[multi_s]

another option may be to get a drum machine with tap tempo?

like make the loop, then tap teh drum machine into sync.

although you might have to update the tempo every now and then depending again on how much like arobot you are, i had pretty good success with the headrush and a roland drum machine that had tap tempo when i was trying to this exact thing.

[rfurtkamp]

With other human beings, it all depends on whether they can use the looper as sort of a click track in and of itself, adjusting as needed.

In the stone age, when loopers were an expensive dream, my favorite compatriot in arms would just lock in to whatever delay I was using and we'd go from there.

That's the basic suggestion I've offered now to people I've played with if there's looping going on in person, and it usually works.

[wdinc01]

Another, more ghetto suggestion: record the drum machine into the looper, then dub over that with your loop.

I'm not expecting you to take that seriously, but it's worth a shot. I'm not too familiar with using the Headrush as a looper though

[univalve]

Sounds like what happens with most looping, to be honest. Maybe I just haven't practiced enough, but I've never once managed to get a loop to stay in time. It's fine if I'm by myself, but with a drummer or even just another guitarist, the loop drift usually ends up kinda screwing everything.

Only person I've ever seen manage it really well is univalve in Analog Pattern Robots, and I think his drummer is synced with click to the looper?

Thanks dude!
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[julius_deane]

I don't remember if the Head Rush does this, but this is one thing I like about loopers like the Vox DelayLab and m9/13: they have switches that allow you to restart the loop, thus fixing the drift if you time it right.

[RR Bigman]

SIMPLE IS BEST


I didn't really think of that at the time...requires a little tap dancing, but this IS an effects forum after all.