The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[AngryGoldfish]

I know right?!?!

The unfortunate problem is cost and size, its near impossible to build a tube pedal with a compact footprint that will actually use the tubes as they should be used. Then on top of that the cost is ridiculously high due to the parts and design that needs to go into it. I agree that that it's a relatively untapped market, but that market would also be very very small due to cost. If I could get a tube version of a Moog Delay.... I'd... I'd... I'd sell a nut if i had too hahahahaha

What I'd like to do is install a switching system that allows for pedalboard control, whilst building the components and keeping the tubes and transformer safe in a heavy-duty large case. The pedals themselves will sit on top of the amp like a reverb or tremolo unit or in a rack and the small controller will be installed on your pedalboard like a normal pedal. They'd be more like an extra channel for your amp.

i don't really think tube pedals are usually superior, depends on the circuit, but i don't usually think that having a valve in there makes that much of a difference in tonal quality.

i just got this Behringer VT911 which i'm in love with right now, and it has a valve, but i wonder how much difference it is making in there besides the actual circuit.

i could be wrong, but i never caught on to the valve pedal hype, really.

Most tube pedals are bland, to be honest. They don't capture what an overdriven amp can sound like. They're basically just tubescreamers with preamp tubes running at 12 volts. They're no better than a JFET design.

What I have in mind is very different. They'll be more like the Faustone Valve Klipper, in that they'll have proper toroidal transformers, isolated tubes, voltage multipliers or full voltages, overspec'ed capacitors, etc. etc.

Here is some fun shit. Doing some tests on bretts amp, here are the unloaded plate and screen voltage



720V!!!!!! dude i am kind of tingling now with anxiety/excitement. That is some killer plate voltage

You could fry some KFC with that.

[new05002]

or myself. That is unloaded so when you put tubes in and its ready to rock it will sink down to like 670 i presume

[Ancient Astronaught]

What I'd like to do is install a switching system that allows for pedalboard control, whilst building the components and keeping the tubes and transformer safe in a heavy-duty large case. The pedals themselves will sit on top of the amp like a reverb or tremolo unit or in a rack and the small controller will be installed on your pedalboard like a normal pedal. They'd be more like an extra channel for your amp.

I've thought of doing something like that with a tube delay / verb, and I think Nick has brought up a similar idea. Would be pretty stellar!

[new05002]

generally you dont wanna transport the high voltage DC far from its source to its sink. Ditto for the grounding.

[Ancient Astronaught]

generally you dont wanna transport the high voltage DC far from its source to its sink. Ditto for the grounding.

I was thinking he meant having something like a RE-201 or Matamp Verb style box and then have a 2 or 3 button off/on switch on the pedal board the only thing going between them would be a TRS cable.

[new05002]

ohh ha you can do relay or opto-iso switching like that. I am working on the Dimensions design every now and then. Worked out the tube reverb circuit and the loop for the delay

[Ancient Astronaught]

ohh ha you can do relay or opto-iso switching like that. I am working on the Dimensions design every now and then. Worked out the tube reverb circuit and the loop for the delay

Thats what I thought. Nice!! Once you finally build your actual amp setup its gonna be disgustingly awesome.

[new05002]

someday in the future haha. Not there yet. Although I am excited about the Dimensions idea

[AngryGoldfish]

generally you dont wanna transport the high voltage DC far from its source to its sink. Ditto for the grounding.

I was thinking he meant having something like a RE-201 or Matamp Verb style box and then have a 2 or 3 button off/on switch on the pedal board the only thing going between them would be a TRS cable.

Yeah, that's what I had in mind. It just means you don't need to worry about damaging the tubes on stage or carrying around a bulky pedal like the Verellen.

[new05002]

low frequency vibration from the sheer volume of the rig can also cause problems with tubes. Sort of like a general problem overall. Thats why some people have all their heads in isolated roadcases and not actually on top of their cabs

[deathmonkey]

I haven't seen either band live but I love all the YW albums. Coliseum bores me to death on recordings, maybe I should try and see them if you say its much better live.

With Coliseum, it is entirely the way they record vocals that kills me. It sounds like there is zero energy in them. Live he is much more gruff and i love it.
That was my major complaint with the newest young widows too, the vocals seemed bored and distant to me.

Hoooo fuck yeah Young Widows, them Patterson boys sure know how to make the music

Absolutely!
I never even realized those dudes were brothers. Think it was you that brought it to my attention actually.
Agreed.

I saw 'em open for Mouth Of The Architect and These Arms Are Snakes years ago, Settle Down City era, and had no idea who they were. They TOTALLY stole the show tho, just killed it. Couldn't believe how loud they were for a 3-piece, had no clue about their live stereo setup back then. Oh, that was the first time I really saw Emperor's stuff too since YW was rocking that 6-piece column setup back then. Amazing show, really nice guys to boot, will never forget that one.

My brother's old band played a show with young widows and coliseum years and years back, and both were rocking full emperor stacks. I bought my emperors entirely because of that show as well. I knew who both were, from their previous bands, but hadn;t seen these new bands.

Ryan was in The National Acrobat, first time i saw them.... 2000ish?
Evan and Ryan were both in Black Widows (Then changed name to black cross) together. Singer was from By The Grace of God. Evan played bass, Ryan played guitar. Later albums Nick from YW played bass and evan and ryan both played guitar.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OQ6XuLGcM[/youtube]
Evan's first band that I heard was Breather Resist. the last breather resist material was what became settle down city (I think Nick was even in the band). The singer left or quit and evan took over. If you want to hear songs like mirrorfucker and formerer with a guy screaming his dick off, go here: http://roboticobscurities.blogspot.com/2010/07/breather-resist-non-album-tracks.html breather resist used to play out of shit tons of amps too. It's a bit of sacrilege, but i like the breather resist versions better.

[emptyparadigm]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ0RFTMpX30[/youtube]

I can't stop listening to this album, it is so crushing!

Cool stuff. The vocals remind me of Abandon, which I'm all about.

I could see that. He is also in Clinging to the trees of a forest fire.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVNsiFJhRw[/youtube]

Band rules. Hard. Seeing 'em next weekend with Mutilation Rites and Inter Arma. Fully intend to shit my pants.

[Holy Schnikes]

My brother's old band played a show with young widows and coliseum years and years back, and both were rocking full emperor stacks. I bought my emperors entirely because of that show as well. I knew who both were, from their previous bands, but hadn;t seen these new bands.

Ryan was in The National Acrobat, first time i saw them.... 2000ish?
Evan and Ryan were both in Black Widows (Then changed name to black cross) together. Singer was from By The Grace of God. Evan played bass, Ryan played guitar. Later albums Nick from YW played bass and evan and ryan both played guitar.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OQ6XuLGcM[/youtube]
Evan's first band that I heard was Breather Resist. the last breather resist material was what became settle down city (I think Nick was even in the band). The singer left or quit and evan took over. If you want to hear songs like mirrorfucker and formerer with a guy screaming his dick off, go here: http://roboticobscurities.blogspot.com/2010/07/breather-resist-non-album-tracks.html breather resist used to play out of shit tons of amps too. It's a bit of sacrilege, but i like the breather resist versions better.

Awesome info, thanks so much!

[AngryGoldfish]

low frequency vibration from the sheer volume of the rig can also cause problems with tubes. Sort of like a general problem overall. Thats why some people have all their heads in isolated roadcases and not actually on top of their cabs

Hmmm... I wonder has someone invented a protective barrier that still allows for heat dissipation whilst the tube is being protected by vibrations. Surely there is something that can partially wrap around a tube or sit nearby that can absorb shocks and low frequencies.

[deathmonkey]

My brother's old band played a show with young widows and coliseum years and years back, and both were rocking full emperor stacks. I bought my emperors entirely because of that show as well. I knew who both were, from their previous bands, but hadn;t seen these new bands.

Ryan was in The National Acrobat, first time i saw them.... 2000ish?
Evan and Ryan were both in Black Widows (Then changed name to black cross) together. Singer was from By The Grace of God. Evan played bass, Ryan played guitar. Later albums Nick from YW played bass and evan and ryan both played guitar.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OQ6XuLGcM[/youtube]
Evan's first band that I heard was Breather Resist. the last breather resist material was what became settle down city (I think Nick was even in the band). The singer left or quit and evan took over. If you want to hear songs like mirrorfucker and formerer with a guy screaming his dick off, go here: http://roboticobscurities.blogspot.com/2010/07/breather-resist-non-album-tracks.html breather resist used to play out of shit tons of amps too. It's a bit of sacrilege, but i like the breather resist versions better.

Awesome info, thanks so much!

I am a wealth of absolutely useless band family trees.