The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[new05002]

i would pass. Not worth the effort. You can score good working ones for 300 bucks

not around here. more like 5-600 these days if it's working at all.

if ur patient enough you can find one but i would expect to travel. Market over here is a little bit cheaper

I think my main point is that buying a broken amp is a mega hassle unless you can work on it urself or the guy is willing to allow you to get it looked over before you buy it.

[AngryGoldfish]

all the amps need a load. you can use a dummy load on the marshall if you want to avoid any noise but you will need a 200W+ dummy load to avoid blowing it out. You could mute the power amp in the marshall. As far as I know tho that amp does not have a slave in or out.

The other issue to be concerned with is ground looping when connecting multiple heads. If you have 1 cab you will need to make sure that the slaved out head is dummy loaded so that it doesnt blow. I cant remember but did you want a FX loop on the amp you wanted from me?

You can use a post-OT slave out if you want similar to Skips on the naki. Of course phase issues are abound but you can correct that pretty easily.

Damn, I thought I remember reading that the Bass Series did have a way to slave out. I could still pick it up for a pedal platform. It's only €550.

I wouldn't want to put a dummy load on the Marshall as that's amplifying the signal from the smaller amps (am I getting that right?). What I was wondering was, could you run both the Dunwich combo with its internal speaker AND slave its preamp to another amp that has its own separate cabinet, with a patch in between the two for time-based pedals? In other words, can the preamp be split to run into two amps?

Ground hum is something I have anticipated. You can pick up pedals to cancel this out, right?

As far as my Dunwich, I think a loop would be really handy just in case, but only if it's going to fit on the panel and isn't going to affect the sound dramatically like it would on the Wizard.

[crohny]

I wish they went for $300 here. I never see them under 500-600. And that is rare to see them that cheap. I may just have it looked at to see what is up. See what it'll take to fix it and then weight that against what he wants and shoto him a lower offer if the amp is fixable.

well whatever it needs I would subtract that down super fast. nice sounding amp but loaded with gremlins. Loves to break down all the time. Risky to waste time and money with it

Yeah this amp would end up being a fucking studio amp essentially. I am unsure about it. It's a friend's amp and he is willing to have it looked at before hand. It's just a matter of making sure it'll be sound and not shitthe bed sooner than later. I don't know. Just really want a loud clean amp that I don't have to drop a shit ton of money on.

[new05002]

Damn, I thought I remember reading that the Bass Series did have a way to slave out. I could still pick it up for a pedal platform. It's only €550.

I wouldn't want to put a dummy load on the Marshall as that's amplifying the signal from the smaller amps (am I getting that right?). What I was wondering was, could you run both the Dunwich combo with its internal speaker AND slave its preamp to another amp that has its own separate cabinet, with a patch in between the two for time-based pedals? In other words, can the preamp be split to run into two amps?

Ground hum is something I have anticipated. You can pick up pedals to cancel this out, right?

As far as my Dunwich, I think a loop would be really handy just in case, but only if it's going to fit on the panel and isn't going to affect the sound dramatically like it would on the Wizard.

I can put in a pre-phase inverter slave or a post OT slave. If you want a FX loop amp will have to be bigger. Since size was a concern, you should weigh this option carefully. Will need 1 more pre tube and more circuitry with jacks on the back. More stuff = more size. You could take the signal from the FX loop out and split that into a slave amp for stereo output into both power amps. Will need an appropriate slave in on the other amp with some kind way to adjust gain or its worthless.

You can use a isolation xformer and ground lifting and phase flipping to handle it. Active is the way to go IMO

[new05002]

Yeah this amp would end up being a fucking studio amp essentially. I am unsure about it. It's a friend's amp and he is willing to have it looked at before hand. It's just a matter of making sure it'll be sound and not shitthe bed sooner than later. I don't know. Just really want a loud clean amp that I don't have to drop a shit ton of money on.

key problem all the time.

[D-Day]

I wish they went for $300 here. I never see them under 500-600. And that is rare to see them that cheap. I may just have it looked at to see what is up. See what it'll take to fix it and then weight that against what he wants and shoto him a lower offer if the amp is fixable.

It's not one of the later ones with the distortion knob is it? Those things aren't worth $200 working. And yeah, it's pretty fargin rare to see one for less than $600 around here. It happens. Will from Serial Hawk got one fairly recently for $400.

Well that's on them I guess. It'll be rad to see you Parker! 30 seconds at the merch table didn't really cut it.

oh yeah, i wasn't holding you responsible at all. and i don't really care about it much. it will be good to see you. what time do you start?

I don't really know. I've never been to that place. It's only a three bander so I'd hope we don't have to go on before 10. ANd actually those BP dudes have another band called White Orange. Which isn't a bad name until they go on and you see one of the guitar players playing through a white Orange amplifier.

Just really want a loud clean amp that I don't have to drop a shit ton of money on.

Fender?

[new05002]

probably easier to snag a SF Fender bassman 100 and work on that compared to any ampeg.

[crohny]

I wish they went for $300 here. I never see them under 500-600. And that is rare to see them that cheap. I may just have it looked at to see what is up. See what it'll take to fix it and then weight that against what he wants and shoto him a lower offer if the amp is fixable.

It's not one of the later ones with the distortion knob is it? Those things aren't worth $200 working. And yeah, it's pretty fargin rare to see one for less than $600 around here. It happens. Will from Serial Hawk got one fairly recently for $400.

Well that's on them I guess. It'll be rad to see you Parker! 30 seconds at the merch table didn't really cut it.

oh yeah, i wasn't holding you responsible at all. and i don't really care about it much. it will be good to see you. what time do you start?

I don't really know. I've never been to that place. It's only a three bander so I'd hope we don't have to go on before 10. ANd actually those BP dudes have another band called White Orange. Which isn't a bad name until they go on and you see one of the guitar players playing through a white Orange amplifier.

Just really want a loud clean amp that I don't have to drop a shit ton of money on.

Pretty sure it isn't one of the distortion units due to it always being clean when it did work. As far as Fenders go, I have a Bassman and it takes effort to get it clean. Thinking I need a lower gain v1 preamp tube to help me out with that.

Fender?

Pretty sure it isn't a distortion unit. Don't recall seeing a distortion knob. Will have to check when I get home. Also I have a Fender as is. Not easy to get clean. Need to get a lower gain pre amp tube in v1 to help me with this I think.


Also Nick, there is a 100 watt Fender Bassman a town over from me for sale. Or at least there was. I have considered it but the dude has no knowledge of it's history so it's a gamble as well.

[new05002]

yea its always a risk on vintage shit. Just easier to tech a bassman.

[crohny]

Yeah, I need to go try out the Bassman if it is still around.

[new05002]

more clean well swap in a 12au7.

Also seems as tho earthbound audio is defunct again?

[AngryGoldfish]

Damn, I thought I remember reading that the Bass Series did have a way to slave out. I could still pick it up for a pedal platform. It's only €550.

I wouldn't want to put a dummy load on the Marshall as that's amplifying the signal from the smaller amps (am I getting that right?). What I was wondering was, could you run both the Dunwich combo with its internal speaker AND slave its preamp to another amp that has its own separate cabinet, with a patch in between the two for time-based pedals? In other words, can the preamp be split to run into two amps?

Ground hum is something I have anticipated. You can pick up pedals to cancel this out, right?

As far as my Dunwich, I think a loop would be really handy just in case, but only if it's going to fit on the panel and isn't going to affect the sound dramatically like it would on the Wizard.

I can put in a pre-phase inverter slave or a post OT slave. If you want a FX loop amp will have to be bigger. Since size was a concern, you should weigh this option carefully. Will need 1 more pre tube and more circuitry with jacks on the back. More stuff = more size. You could take the signal from the FX loop out and split that into a slave amp for stereo output into both power amps. Will need an appropriate slave in on the other amp with some kind way to adjust gain or its worthless.

You can use a isolation xformer and ground lifting and phase flipping to handle it. Active is the way to go IMO

I think I remember discussing this briefly with you before. I remember saying that it wasn't worth the extra weight and hassle. I was planning on running my future small board in the front-end anyway.

As regards the slave out, I thought it might be a cool idea to be able to run the amp on the Matamp channel at full-tilt, and then slave that signal, both the poweramp and the preamp, out to a larger head that has a cleaner and bigger power section, just as I was saying above, but with a dummy load on the Dunwich. What's better, a pre-phaser inverter slave or a post OT slave out? I'm not even sure whether I'd use it.


Has everyone seen that Earthbound Audio are shutting down again? Apparently Mark will be working as a new outfit, known as Acid Age Electronics.

[new05002]

pre-phase will not have phase inverter and power tube and OT contribution to tone while post OT has all of that. I usually recommend Post OT

[D-Day]

Pretty sure it isn't a distortion unit. Don't recall seeing a distortion knob. Will have to check when I get home. Also I have a Fender as is. Not easy to get clean. Need to get a lower gain pre amp tube in v1 to help me with this I think.

I'm no expert but I'd guess that you need the proper wattage to deliver clean headroom at the volumes you wish to play the thing. Get a 100 or 135. Very clean, very reliable and as Nick mentioned very easily teched.

BTW, I was over at Verellen the other day and was treated to some sneak peeks! Anybody with facebook has probably seen the rack mount double Meatsmoke pre but there's some pretty fun stuff coming from that dude. He also has a full time employee these days who's really cool and has some great ideas of his own that may come to fuition with a big V stamped on 'em.

[new05002]

yea combination of the preamp sensitivity and overall achievable power. you can easily stick with a 100W amp and just adjust the preamp sensitivity to achieve more clean range.