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A rant from the HC forums

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I did argue about this with people in the ILF chatroom before but it's more concise here I think.

I hate the predictability of sound when a band walks on the stage, and you correctly nail the style of music based on "outfits". I see all these kids now a days "dressed for success". Whatever happened to musicians wearing a t shirt 4 days in a row on tour till they get to the next stop and hopefully get a free t shirt along the way? It was about the music.

I miss those days.

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I don't think it's a bad thing(image and music). Like with goth music for example, the connection between outlandish and often dark clothing and the effects/atmosphere heavy music makes a lot of sense. The same could be said of a pscyhadelic band dressed like mad hippies. There is a kind of connection there that if people like one, they like the other. A bit like when you see a music video and think "Wow, that really went with the music". When you go to see a band live, it's an audio visual experience. If I'm going to a garage rock concert, I'll expect some dirty T-Shirts like you mention. If I'm going to see some ridiculous power metal act, I'll expect they look a bit silly too. There are too many guys that just stand there nowadays, t-shirt and jeans playing "indie rock". At least if you're going to look "Normal", do a funny dance or something like Ian Curtis.

If it goes with the music, then it's okay. You're presenting a false dichotomy about image and music when many of the founding fathers of modern rock were very elaborate dressers. "We look one way, but we play a totally different kind of music!" can become as annoying and gimmicky as the most annoying and gimmicky glam rock acts.

The thing is you're making the mistake of associating "dressing well" according to "nice" standards with "dressing well" in more creative, outlandish standards. People do this a lot, they mix up vanity with self expression and I hate it because it leads people to presume anyone who looks different cares only about their looks, and what do you know, everyone starts dressing in jeans and a t-shirt convinced it's "true" individuality. That's shit, if you're being goaded into dressing like everyone else you're not being more of an individual for disregarding one possible way in which you can express yourself. You don't waste metal effort "thinking" about how to dress since that's not how the brain works and we know that. And it doesn't cost any more if you raid second hand/thrift shops(can be less then).

Again, "image" doesn't have to be shallow. Vanity, mainstream fashion is shallow. Dressing creatively or interestingly in some way or another is not any more shallow than a painting on the wall is shallow because it's 2 Dimensional and pure "Image". The art of mixing and matching clothes with your personal appearance is creative in the same way a guy who designs characters for a role playing game, comic book or fantasy movie is. At the end of the day though, it's more difficult for social conservatives to live in a world where people appear different from each other on the surface, so they use the concept of "maturity" and other such memes to drive people away from it.

People have been codded into the contrary position because it's easy to associate image obsession and subculture with 14 year olds, and nobody wants to be a teenager. It's just a shitty form of McCarthyism. But either way, it's nonsense and I'm tired of people saying that dressing funny doesn't make you an individual, yet then turn around and say that they're somehow more "genuine" for wearing boring ass t-shirts and jeans. Dressing a certain way does not make you an individual, on either side. But it is a GOOD THING regardless, pretty things are nice, diverse things are nice. People have forgotten that. And hell, it's still one way in which you differ from the guy next to you so it can still be part of who you are.

I hate how everyone dresses the same nowadays. I think it was kind of important went Rockstars used to dress up a bit because it set a good example. If even our rockstars can't look different, who can? Lady Gaga? Fuck that, since that IS one good example of someone who's pure image(and not a very good one at that). I say rockstars should take back the spotlight.


It didn't get any responses, so I thought it might be worth posting here.
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Everyone is image conscious.
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Caesar wrote:Everyone is image conscious.


What people don't get is that dressing "Normal" is playing at an image too. It's the same mistake a lot of political centrists make, you're not exempt from it because you think you're somehow "neutral".

There's few things that piss me off more than saying a girl who's spent an hour at her makeup and brushing her hair, wearing jeans and a pastel coloured hoody. Come on. Society's double standards, it's basically the reverse of what I'm advocating. Spending time to look normal as opposed to not necessarily spending time to look like yourself.
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Roseweave wrote:
Caesar wrote:Everyone is image conscious.


What people don't get is that dressing "Normal" is playing at an image too. It's the same mistake a lot of political centrists make, you're not exempt from it because you think you're somehow "neutral".

There's few things that piss me off more than saying a girl who's spent an hour at her makeup and brushing her hair, wearing jeans and a pastel coloured hoody. Come on. Society's double standards, it's basically the reverse of what I'm advocating. Spending time to look normal as opposed to not necessarily spending time to look like yourself.


Even the average douchebag that rolls out of bed and puts on a pair of jeans and a t-shirt is still image conscious.
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Caesar wrote:
Roseweave wrote:
Caesar wrote:Everyone is image conscious.


What people don't get is that dressing "Normal" is playing at an image too. It's the same mistake a lot of political centrists make, you're not exempt from it because you think you're somehow "neutral".

There's few things that piss me off more than saying a girl who's spent an hour at her makeup and brushing her hair, wearing jeans and a pastel coloured hoody. Come on. Society's double standards, it's basically the reverse of what I'm advocating. Spending time to look normal as opposed to not necessarily spending time to look like yourself.


Even the average douchebag that rolls out of bed and puts on a pair of jeans and a t-shirt is still image conscious.


It's difficult not to be, my screen name Scruffie is down to my disheveled appearence, longish badly cut hair, I haven't bought clothes in about 3 years (just cause my cash has to go elsewhere) even having gone down 2 inches of waist size for my jeans in that time (hence them not fitting and many belt notches added) and most of them are to fucked to wear them, but that has now become my appearence! Which is not caring.. but if I bought new clothes... I would be caring! It's how other people perceive you, not how you perceive yourself.

I'd be swarve if it was up to me, but would I look it, I dunno, it's what everyone else thinks, I could wear a suit whenever I went out and people may just think I had an office job, individuality is what you make it. Just my $0.02
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Caesar wrote:Even the average douchebag that rolls out of bed and puts on a pair of jeans and a t-shirt is still image conscious.


Haha, this is me, except add some flip-flops, and there you go.

When I was a teenager, I use to dress up all fancy and the like, and then I realized, "Fuck this shit. This is too much work." and I became lazy. It's expensive and time consuming. I have the money for 'nice' clothing, but I rather wear my old blue jeans and $5 polo t-shirt and flip-flops that are about to fall apart. My clothing style of course says who I am; lazy. I could actually give 2 fucks and a shit about how I look in public. I've walked into stores in my sleeping clothing and my hair a mess. I wish I could just go out naked, but I can't..because I don't want to be arrested.
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I used to get made fun of all the time for the way I dressed. I used to get the whole "emo-fag" thing all the time just because I wore skinny jeans. Still do wear 'em. I go out of my way to tell the world of Abercrombie wearing douche bags that fitting in and looking normal isn't a good thing. Wouldn't you know it? Nowadays every homophobe skater dude and his little brother wear skinny jeans. A lot of the stuff I used to wear is heavily worn today, makes it kinda hard to continue standing out so I just teased my hair bigger to compensate. :lol:

As for the clothes connected to music thing. There were no "good old days" where the clothes people wore had no connection to the music they play. The whole same t-shirt for four days thing was all part of a particular type of music and an image. Kurt Cobain had to return his brand new Lexus because he felt the pressure of people thinking his car isn't grunge enough. Genres of music have had a look since the birth of rock 'n roll. It's like an advertisement that you play that music and you love it so much that your whole life style is based around it. It's about flaunting what you do and what you represent. Of course this is only an explanation for the styles of clothes that people connect to genres of music, this doesn't mean that everyone who listens to Led Zeppelin should only wear 30 year old concert t-shirts, sport a mustache and aviators, it's just about how some people like to express them selves.
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1,2,3, Pull Out! wrote:I used to get made fun of all the time for the way I dressed. I used to get the whole "emo-fag" thing all the time just because I wore skinny jeans. Still do wear 'em.


Aha, that's a good laugh in the U.K It happened by coincidence 4 of us were wearing black T-Shirts/Tops/Shirts and were instantly labelled goth (faster than an racist labels you) and got into a knife fight (none of us owning knifes and me being the only male of 4 people)

And christ we were goths for lives (by there take) Chavs (lower class who think there black and are disturbingly violent so much I've had to fend myself twice this week in an quiet town) will literally take knifes to you unprovoked, thankfully I know the right people who know them, but half the time there so high they don't even know...

I still get made fun of.. did all through school (had to wear a uniform there too so not even class) Just happens... America is probably worse but I can never had it easy.
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This argument is over my head. But I must say that Rose's "argument in the chat room" inspired me to take aesthetics this semester in college.
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Oh? What does that entail?
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I imagine its about how the way people/things/etc. look effects us and the world.
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PumpkinPieces wrote:I imagine its about how the way people/things/etc. look effects us and the world.


The one that always interested me was the fact that people at least a standard deviation above the average height are very successful in corporate environments, and that the average CEO is 3-4 inches taller than the average person, and that holds true for both genders. Fascinating.
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bigchiefbc wrote:
PumpkinPieces wrote:I imagine its about how the way people/things/etc. look effects us and the world.


The one that always interested me was the fact that people at least a standard deviation above the average height are very successful in corporate environments, and that the average CEO is 3-4 inches taller than the average person, and that holds true for both genders. Fascinating.


Whoah, thats crazy. I think I'm going to like this class then. I love interesting little tidbits like that.
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here's the thing i clicked this just to see o cool another zvex devi fight.........


YOU ALL ARE IMAGE CONCIOUS I AM NOT. how do i know? You all are TALKING about this.

anyone who has time and effort to start a post and is interested in talking about other people's images is a complete loser to begin with.

sorry thats just how it is.

i love you all but you all are starting to sound like losers and jesus grow the fuck up. :thumb:

btw i am the old slut in my avator picture call me oo baby baby if you wanna "debate" more topics

why dont you guys discuss the length of people's hair now or their shitty holes in their jeans, perhaps peirceings, hair dye, tattoos????



who gives a shit if someone has these things.........you guys a fashcisitssslasdkfa

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:wow what a fantastic idea you have there: go jam out some old cherub rock solo or something!
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