The spite, hate, rage, apathy and mild irritation thread...

[futuresailors]

I have no idea what to do with the couple songs I've started. Does anyone want to collaborate with my using FL Studio? I'm stuck. :\

Feedback.

[snipelfritz]

I really don't understand why some of my gay friends are christian. It's like being a chicken who supports the meat industry.

Not really. Saying all Christians disapprove of homosexuality would be like saying all gay people love musical theater and molesting little boys.

The label "Christian" covers a lot of varying and often opposing beliefs.

I'm always amazed how supposed liberal and open-minded people can turn into judgmental bigots when they decide that religion is bad (a completely irrational statement to begin with), and that's not directed towards you at all just generally spouting.

[Caesar]

The label "Christian" covers a lot of varying and often opposing beliefs.

I'm always amazed how supposed liberal and open-minded people can turn into judgmental bigots when they decide that religion is bad (a completely irrational statement to begin with), and that's not directed towards you at all just generally spouting.

Especially since Jesus was basically a gay, jewish, pacifist, socialist.

Now, how is it that Christians can be Republicans.

[snipelfritz]

Any time someone says "I'm a logical/rational person..." they're probably going to follow that up with some grandiose, subjective statement that can't actually be proven logically at all.

[phantasmagorovich]

I really don't understand why some of my gay friends are christian. It's like being a chicken who supports the meat industry.

Because belief and logic are in no way related? One cannot understand or rule the other? I don't understand how people cannot understand this.

[GardenoftheDead]

I really don't understand why some of my gay friends are christian. It's like being a chicken who supports the meat industry.

Not really. Saying all Christians disapprove of homosexuality would be like saying all gay people love musical theater and molesting little boys.

Not all Christians disapprove but the Bible does. In addition to the rest of its generally horribleness.

[alexa.]

I really don't understand why some of my gay friends are christian. It's like being a chicken who supports the meat industry.

Because belief and logic are in no way related? One cannot understand or rule the other? I don't understand how people cannot understand this.

Well, belief systems are the data that the logic infrastructure can work with, they are more like intertwined systems that can't really be compared.
Also, the paradigm of today is exactly the thing that the "scientific community"-oriented people stifle belief in favor of logic (gaining power in infrastructure but losing perspective); and the "alternative - spiritually" oriented people work with beliefs and neglect logic (gaining perspective but losing capability to process data with quality).

You have to find the middle ground. *yin yang*

[dubkitty]

certain Bible passages derogate and illegalize, largely in the Old Testament; most Christians believe that the provisions of Jewish law as delineated in the OT have been superseded by a "new covenant" represented by Christ, and thus are moot. the number of Christians who live by any of the proscriptions described e.g. in the notorious passages in Leviticus is vanishingly small. the Gospels are silent on the topic, and though the Epistles have some disapproving comments their tone is more "Christians should avoid doing this" than the literal condemnations of the OT.

also, a basic tenet of Christianity is the forgiveness of sins. thus, even if Christianity considers gay sex sinful, it's still logically possible to be gay and Christian on the grounds that your sins will be forgiven if you're sufficiently justified by faith. if you couldn't be a sinner and a Christian simultaneously, there'd be no church because there's no perfect man.

[futuresailors]

I really don't understand why some of my gay friends are christian. It's like being a chicken who supports the meat industry.

Not really. Saying all Christians disapprove of homosexuality would be like saying all gay people love musical theater and molesting little boys.

Not all Christians disapprove but the Bible does. In addition to the rest of its generally horribleness.

Yeah, you guys don't have to get all philosophical all the time. He didn't says anything about Christians as a people disapproving. What doesn't make sense is that some old Jew said don't bang dudes and yet dudes who bang dudes listen to stuff he says.

[theactionindex]

My friend/drummer is wasted and saying some completely out of line shit to me right now. Can't really believe this shit.

[Jeff-7]

Best to just leave/ignore him until he sobers up. Then you can talk about the bug that was up his ass and maybe slap him upside the dome.

[theactionindex]

Yeah, probably. I just personally don't understand seeing as how I've just never been one, wasted or not, to disrespect people I call my friends.

[dubkitty]

Yeah, you guys don't have to get all philosophical all the time. He didn't says anything about Christians as a people disapproving. What doesn't make sense is that some old Jew said don't bang dudes and yet dudes who bang dudes listen to stuff he says.

when the question "how can gay people be Christians" is posed, it implies a response. and i don't think it's "overly philosophical" to point out that, e.g., Jesus according to the Gospels never taught anything about homosexuality, that there are logical pathways to faith that don't make sense to the outsider, or that if you want to complain about anyone's view of homosexuality in the New Testament it's St. Paul, who was not a Jew but a Roman pagan before his conversion. i think it's important to try to contradict incorrect information when possible, because it fucks up your interactions. if you assume your opponent is committed to the most extreme position, you pretty much preclude any possibility of dialogue.

there's also a linguistic problem that's important to address. when you complain that some people "disapprove," you're complaining about real life. people disapprove of many human behaviors, including various perceived moral flaws which are now more accepted than they were in early Christian times. if you expect everyone to "approve" of any behavior, you're expecting the impossible. i don't have universal acceptance as a long-haired dope smoker, and that particular social movement has been at it since the mid-60s. post-British Invasion rock and roll doesn't have universal acceptance...there are still people who think that music ended when Elvis joined the army, Chuck Berry went to jail, and Buddy Holly died. maybe setting the expectation of "approval" so high, in a world where e.g. jazz musicians still don't have universal approval, is too much.

[MEC]

I really don't understand why some of my gay friends are christian. It's like being a chicken who supports the meat industry.

I really don't understand why anyone is any religion.
I heard some guy on the radio yesterday going on about Scientology and Tom Cruise and
how anyone who has those beliefs is a total fool. If that same guy took a minute to evaluate
his own religion (christianity) he would see the story is equally as far fetched. Just because
it was made up thousands of years ago as opposed to 50 doesn't make it any more valid.

[Jeff-7]

I've always been under the impression that Scientology is one big pyramid scheme.