The spite, hate, rage, apathy and mild irritation thread...

[the_carl]

5. For all lawsuits: if you sue someone, and you lose, you have to pay their legal fees.

You mean... that isn't a law right now?

Yup, 'cause we're America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)

Oh and jfrey, when you're Supreme Leader you need to put us on the metric system.

[TroySanders]

uh oh politics

[jfrey]

5. For all lawsuits: if you sue someone, and you lose, you have to pay their legal fees.

You mean... that isn't a law right now?

Yup, 'cause we're America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)

Oh and jfrey, when you're Supreme Leader you need to put us on the metric system.

I'll see what I can do.

[D.o.S.]

5. For all lawsuits: if you sue someone, and you lose, you have to pay their legal fees.

You mean... that isn't a law right now?

Yup, 'cause we're America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)

Oh and jfrey, when you're Supreme Leader you need to put us on the metric system.

Good attorneys cost money. Great attorneys cost a lot of money. Great attorneys win court cases.
Large companies and wealthy people hire great attorneys.

Professional opinions win court cases. Great professionals (and their opinions) cost a lot of money.
Large companies and wealthy people pay the extra fees for great professional opinions.

With our current court system, You'd be laying the groundwork for reimbursing the wealthier party almost every time.

Of course, this system is in place in Texas, Georgia, and California.
So, you know, move there?

[bigchiefbc]

5. For all lawsuits: if you sue someone, and you lose, you have to pay their legal fees.

You mean... that isn't a law right now?

Yup, 'cause we're America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)

Oh and jfrey, when you're Supreme Leader you need to put us on the metric system.

Good attorneys cost money. Great attorneys cost a lot of money. Great attorneys win court cases.
Large companies and wealthy people hire great attorneys.

Professional opinions win court cases. Great professionals (and their opinions) cost a lot of money.
Large companies and wealthy people pay the extra fees for great professional opinions.

With our current court system, You'd be laying the groundwork for reimbursing the wealthier party almost every time.

Of course, this system is in place in Texas, Georgia, and California.
So, you know, move there?

My only counter to your point (which I largely agree with) is that other great attorneys may start agreeing to take more poor people's cases if they think they can win, since it'll be the wealthy company loser that pays them in the end.

My other question is whether we should extend this particular idea to criminal cases. If the government decides to prosecute you for something, and it's a felony, you'll probably bankrupt yourself and your entire family defending yourself (in most states, you can't use get a public defender unless you can prove you're poor below a certain poverty level). But what if your attorney's fees get covered by the state if you're acquitted? That might make DAs a little lighter on the hair trigger to indict.

[jfrey]

With our current court system, You'd be laying the groundwork for reimbursing the wealthier party almost every time.

Part of the point is a deterrence to frivolous lawsuits. You wouldn't want to sue someone unless it was very important and you felt you had a solid case. The case could be made however for a more structured system of fines should someone file a lawsuit and then lose. Perhaps an amount equal to their own legal fees not to exceed an amount set by the court, or a minimum set by the court should their fees be below a certain amount? It would need to be looked into with a lot more scrutiny to hammer it out.

what if your attorney's fees get covered by the state if you're acquitted? That might make DAs a little lighter on the hair trigger to indict.

I like this idea, although again you'd need to create a structured set of regulations, so that you don't have attorneys setting their fees insanely high if they are sure they're going to have their client acquitted.

All of these are things that could be worked out. I do think that something like these ideas should be put in place nationally.

I've also been thinking about some sort of gradual decriminalization of drugs with relatively lower negative health effects. Marijuana being an obvious example. The jury is still out as far as I know on long term neurological effects, however even granting that possibility and some other concerns, it still means that it is at worst still not as bad as cigarettes for your health. This change should be reviewed periodically over the course of at least one generation to assess its effects and implications. I don't do drugs of any kind, or particularly like their effect on people, but I think that this is a fairly common sense and practical idea. There have been a lot of studies suggesting that decriminalization will cut law enforcement costs, and also decrease drug related violence, extortion, etc. as well as providing a possibly viable source of tax revenue and private income.

jfrey 2012

[adrianlee]

uh oh politics

[Gearmond]

World Inferno can't come to Cleveland for their tour with The Adicts. and i'm super pissed and i guarantee it's the venue's fault or some shit

[IEatCats]

Fuck mandatory overtime. By Friday morning, i'll have worked 6 of the last 7 days. With 12 hour overnight shifts. I had to force myself awake at 5:30PM so I could get a few things for lunch before I leave for work.

This job is destroying me. I'm thinking of just packing away mad savings and abandoning my lease and moving. I'll have $1.5k by Friday when I can put the checks in the bank, and with my roommate leaving, maybe I could actually get away with just bailing, too. I could see if someone would let me crash with them for a month so I can not fucking bother with bills, then just move.

i just hate this town so fucking much that I can't stand to be here anymore. And with Kate being absurdly busy and on an opposing schedule, it's just seeming worse.

[GardenoftheDead]

-Doesn't support the incorporation of the Bill of Rights

You're completely mistaken with this one. Sorry, but that's wrong.

Actually, no, you're completely fucking wrong. "States' Rights" in this day and age is nothing more than trying to bar the federal government from preventing the braindead state governments from outlawing abortion and killing gay people.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron-pa ... amendment/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... odomy_laws

Also, as for marriage becoming a "private contract" ? Fuck right the hell off. Marriage is not just a vow of commitment in this day and age and just sweeping it under the rug like that? Not acceptable.

What happens to the tax exemptions, the visitation rights, the child custody? What's going to happen when one party tampers with the contract and screws the other spouse out of everything in a divorce?

Also, finally, the federal debt. Federal debt is not like private debt. It doesn't have to be paid off. Anyone who wants you to worry about the federal debt is just trying to get you to get on board with the idea of destroying our social services.

Edit: On a personal note, I also refuse to vote for anyone who outright says he doesn't believe in evolution. And don't give me bullshit about "not researching" my points. I've had Ron Paul's dick shoved down my throat for the better part of the last 8 years.

[TroySanders]

Shut the fuck up with these paragraphs of nonsense. No one cares.

[adrianlee]

Shut the fuck up with these paragraphs of nonsense. No one cares.

Now, now. Those two care, and, this is a thread in which they're allowed to share spite, hate and rage with each other.

[TroySanders]

Yeah. People really turn into defensive cunts when they talk about politics.

[adrianlee]

Yeah. People really turn into defensive cunts when they talk about politics.

Haha, I'm not disagreeing with you there. I'd different adjectives, but, whatever.

It's always politics and religion. Always.

[theavondon]

So, like, the only thing I think of when someone complains about something being a "state's rights" issue is that they're a slaveowner.