Well it seem's my race car is finally sold so it's time to start looking into adding another amp to the stable.... I'm currently using a model t reissue into an emperor 4x12 with eminence swamp thangs and either a sunn reissue 4x12 or an emperor 2x12 also with swamp thangs. On my local craigslist there is a guy selling an orange rockerverb 100 mk I 3/4 stack (4x12 + 2x12) all in black tolex, he's asking 3k but I will probably make a cash offer of a little less. So then i would be running 2 3/4 stacks one sunn / emperor the other all orange both on the clean channel's using my soon to be massive pedal board for the durt toanz. So does anyone have any actual experience with the rockerverb 100 mk I head's? Do they take pedal's well and is the power tube switchable bias actually usable? (i'd love to put 6550's in it) If i dont pick up the orange 3/4 stack I will just order a 2x15 emperor with eminence big bens and an emperor 6x12 probably with weber v30 clones, i would then be running a 4x12 + 2x12 3/4 stack (model t powered) and a 2x15 and 6x12 stack (sunn 300t powered) with all emperor cabs and sunn reissue heads (which would actually be cheaper also since i already have both heads). So many choices.....
To put toanz in context if you havent figured out all ready i play "stoner doom" kinda stuff
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
Also, not that it's ever bothered me, but you might run into phase issues with that many cabs all rockin' at once.
You should probably just sack up and buy an SVT.
That's kinda how i feel, at the same time i've seen some amazing live tones come from newer orange amps. I figured if i could get it for 2500 or less it might be worth it.
I've run 4 cab's at once before (2 4x12's and 2 1x15's) and never had phase issues and it's really no more speakers than 2 full stacks so i don't think i will have any real phase issues depending on placement.
SVT for guitar? I guess it could work... I also have a friend whom i believe is about to get rid of his vintage real Model T.... I might have to jump on that...
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
They have a full v4 stack at my local guitfiddle center for 1200$ i might have go try that out if they still have it... I've always been partial to Sunn heads and I'm extremely partial to emperor cab's but i thought having 2 completely different tones might help fill out the sound. The other reason i liked the 2 3/4 stacks idea was the space and weight savings in the trailer plus i havent needed 2 full stacks at a gig yet and if i ever play a gig big enough to need 2 full stacks i will most likely be going through the p.a. anyways.
Have you ever played through a rockerverb 100? I'd really like to know what someone who's used one thinks of it, as i don't trust youtube clips (you never know what audio processing has been done). Once i have the cash in hand i might take my board and guitar over there to try it out but i don't want to waste his and my time if it doesnt play well with pedals.
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
you won't have phasing issues unless something is wired wrong. 3K seems steep.
the thing i like most about multi amp set ups is when different amp tones are combined. when you add pedals to the equation it gets interesting due to the way diff amps respond to the same pedal. it all equals loud fun.
I've only played around on the Rockerverb 200, and my general opinion was kind of "meh." It's definitely got some higher gain tones than other Oranges I've played, but the excess of knobs and features kind of turned me off.
Mind you, I play bass, so YMMV.
I don't think I'd pay more than, say, $1100 for the head.
@ D.O.S. - Well i checked completed sales on ebay and the heads never sell for more than 1100-1200, this one has an ata flight case and is apparently in mint condition so i would consider 1300 fair, and then 700 and 500 for the cabs is about the going price on ebay also so i figured 2500 for all of it would be a fair price if it is indeed in mint/like-new condition. I'm mainly going to be using it clean with pedals in front of it, but I would use the gain channel when recording for layering tracks or possibly solo's depending on how much i like it. (whats funny is who inspired this idea is scott from the osedax who is on your doperigs site.... i've played with them many many times and the dual rigs really makes a big difference live)
@ Masked Elwood - Agreed that 3k is too steep that's why i would like to go with cash in hand to negotiate. Also i completely agree with the multi amp setups thats why im considering this in the first place otherwise i would just go for the all emperor cabs and sunn heads rig.
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
I've never tried the RV100 but I recently sold my RV50 (mkI) because it hated pedals like no amp I've owned before. Everything I ran into it sounded distant and mushy and the effects loop wasn't worth a shit. I generally run everything out front but I was desperate so I gave the loop a try, no go. It was mated with an Orange and Emperor 2x12s.
Decent clean channel but little to no headroom which sucked. Switched V1 to a 5751 to help with the early breakup, just ok. The dirt channel was killer, more gain than most people would ever use. Cleaned up well too but the noise at high gain, high volume was crazy. Also got more compressed than I prefer but very brutal nonetheless.
I got an insane deal on mine or I would've passed. Look online at RV gutshots, VERY CHEAPLY MADE. Board mounted pots and tube sockets, not built to last, imo, and I've seen a couple go down in the last few years.
I use Sunn and Ampeg heads together and they sound awesome. That's a good deal on the V4 stack too. That being said, if you are using pedals for all the dirt and don't do much clean stuff I think you'd be better off putting the money into cabs and pedals. The 300T and the Orange/Ampeg aren't going to sound too much different if you are running them as a clean palette for multiple cranked fuzz pedals. I think where you'll get the most difference is in the speakers and running separate chains into each amp. You will definitely benefit from a 215 cab. I run a full stack + a 215 and it's massive. Seriously, getting a 215 changed my life.
Achtane wrote:FUZZ ALL DAY MAN FUZZ IS GOD ALL OTHER EFFECTS ARE SHIT
Caesar wrote:Dude, can you get the fuck out of my b/s/t thread with your bullshit.
PumpkinPieces wrote: This isn't America, this is I Love Fuzz.
Mudfuzz wrote:Remember when we were all just a bunch of weirdos that liked fucked up shit and not just a bunch of nerds buying bling to impress each other online?
Holy Schnikes wrote:I've never tried the RV100 but I recently sold my RV50 (mkI) because it hated pedals like no amp I've owned before. Everything I ran into it sounded distant and mushy and the effects loop wasn't worth a shit. I generally run everything out front but I was desperate so I gave the loop a try, no go. It was mated with an Orange and Emperor 2x12s.
Decent clean channel but little to no headroom which sucked. Switched V1 to a 5751 to help with the early breakup, just ok. The dirt channel was killer, more gain than most people would ever use. Cleaned up well too but the noise at high gain, high volume was crazy. Also got more compressed than I prefer but very brutal nonetheless.
I got an insane deal on mine or I would've passed. Look online at RV gutshots, VERY CHEAPLY MADE. Board mounted pots and tube sockets, not built to last, imo, and I've seen a couple go down in the last few years.
Thanks man that's what i was looking for! I had heard that they don't take pedal's well so this confirm's it. I always kinda looked at orange as overpriced poorly made versions of matamps. The one amp i've heard live i really liked was a friends thunderverb 200, but he doesnt run dirt into it he uses the onboard gain, i wont be doing that so i think i will keep my options open.
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
Well after thinking it over a cigarette and morning coffee i think i will just order an emperor 6x12 and 3x15 (3x15 with weber michigan's and the 6x12 with weber v30 clones or eminence swamp thangs) and power both of them with the 300t for live use and use my model t 3/4 stack in the practice space so i have seperate live rigs and practice rigs. the 6x12 and 3x15 will basically be equal to the 2 3/4 stacks idea and i will only have to lug one head around (albeit an extremely large and heavy head).
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
Ancient Astronaught wrote:Well after thinking it over a cigarette and morning coffee i think i will just order an emperor 6x12 and 3x15 (3x15 with weber michigan's and the 6x12 with weber v30 clones or eminence swamp thangs) and power both of them with the 300t for live use and use my model t 3/4 stack in the practice space so i have seperate live rigs and practice rigs. the 6x12 and 3x15 will basically be equal to the 2 3/4 stacks idea and i will only have to lug one head around (albeit an extremely large and heavy head).
Wise decision.
Have you tried the Weber 65s that Emperor is using? I think they're a major step up from V30s. Lows sound incredible while remaining tight and controlled and highs are more useable, smoothed out and lacking the harshness inherent in the V30. I know Dylan mentioned choosing those as the stock Emperor offering because they're reminiscent of the V30 but addressed the issues most people have with 'em.
I used V30s exclusively until they pushed me in a new direction. Glad I listened to their suggestions, sounds killer!
I have not tried them yet but that's the speakers i planned on going with in the 6x12, I'm actually kinda displeased with the swamp thangs at times they are real picky and the break up is ?blocky? sounding not smooth like what i want, their low end is incredible but the mids and highs leave alot to be desired. I'm going to email them and see if they can fit a 3x15 in their 6x12 enclosure because i would like the cabs to look identical. I'm pretty sure it will fit in a > style placement, i've just never seen a 3x15 made by them, or anyone else.
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
I'm currently using a model t reissue into an emperor 4x12 with eminence swamp thangs and either a sunn reissue 4x12 or an emperor 2x12 also with swamp thangs. On my local craigslist there is a guy selling an orange rockerverb 100 mk I 3/4 stack (4x12 + 2x12) all in black tolex, he's asking 3k but I will probably make a cash offer of a little less. So then i would be running 2 3/4 stacks one sunn / emperor the other all orange both on the clean channel's using my soon to be massive pedal board for the durt toanz. So does anyone have any actual experience with the rockerverb 100 mk I head's? Do they take pedal's well and is the power tube switchable bias actually usable? (i'd love to put 6550's in it) If i dont pick up the orange 3/4 stack I will just order a 2x15 emperor with eminence big bens and an emperor 6x12 probably with weber v30 clones, i would then be running a 4x12 + 2x12 3/4 stack (model t powered) and a 2x15 and 6x12 stack (sunn 300t powered) with all emperor cabs and sunn reissue heads (which would actually be cheaper also since i already have both heads). So many choices..... 
I guess it could work... I also have a friend whom i believe is about to get rid of his vintage real Model T.... I might have to jump on that...
