Happy Guy Plays Scale, Crowned "King Of Blues"

[Dandolin]

But, but, Punky's whips!

[Dandolin]

WWCED. Ask Chuck.

[D.o.S.]

Massive statement

All those bands informed the metal aesthetic. Personally, I'm not a sociologist, so I could really give a fuck about articulate line drawing and family trees. Genres are always blurry, and drawing arbitrary lines like "these guys are/were metal, these guys clearly aren't" is about as retarded as trying to fuck a pregnant chick to make her give birth to twins.

[Bassus Sanguinis]

ew@ calling any 60's and 70's band besides Sabbath heavy metal until Judas Preist

You're kidding.
Blue Cheer
MC5
Budgie
Sir Lord Baltimore
Leaf Hound
Even Amon Duul to an extent

(And what about Deep Purple?)

I remember the firs time I heard Motorhead -- it was the heaviest filthiest thing ever, and that was the 70s.

no, all of those are pushing it to the point of metal including anyone who played rock. there is a very defined line between the whole sorta biker/hard rock thing and heavy metal. most people forget that.

the band that DID blur it was BOC

How about Steppenwollf instead?

Seriously, You know, Jimi Hendrix and guys and lots of bands with rough sounds WERE considered and to be heavy metal, You know. Black Sabbath wasn't among its contemporaries any heavier than Deep Purple or Blue Cheer or others. Because heavy metal wasn't back then what it is supposed to be today.

BUT that all is way off topic.

[Bassus Sanguinis]

ew@ calling any 60's and 70's band besides Sabbath heavy metal until Judas Preist

You're kidding.
Blue Cheer
MC5
Budgie
Sir Lord Baltimore
Leaf Hound
Even Amon Duul to an extent

(And what about Deep Purple?)

I remember the firs time I heard Motorhead -- it was the heaviest filthiest thing ever, and that was the 70s.

no, all of those are pushing it to the point of metal including anyone who played rock. there is a very defined line between the whole sorta biker/hard rock thing and heavy metal. most people forget that.

the band that DID blur it was BOC

How about Steppenwollf instead?

Seriously, You know, Jimi Hendrix and guys and lots of bands with rough sounds WERE considered and to be heavy metal, You know. Black Sabbath wasn't among its contemporaries any heavier than Deep Purple or Blue Cheer or others. Because heavy metal wasn't back then what it is supposed to be today.

And Dev is right about Motörhead. Even in the 80's some of my friends didn't consider it even as music, it was way too much for them! Unlike Metallica and younger bands that Motörhead influenced.

BUT that all is way off topic.

[Gearmond]

yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

Steppenwolf just coined the term is all.

and yeah, he's right about motorhead, but priest came around like a year before motorhead if i remember.

even more sidetracking: i think its funny that metalcore is combining thrash metal with hardcore punk. last i checked, thats what thrash metal was.

[theavondon]

yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

Steppenwolf just coined the term is all.

and yeah, he's right about motorhead, but priest came around like a year before motorhead if i remember.

even more sidetracking: i think its funny that metalcore is combining thrash metal with hardcore punk. last i checked, thats what thrash metal was.

Well, umm, well, um, well, umm, ummm, well, umm

[Bassus Sanguinis]

yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

No. When the NWOBHM came to be, there alrady WAS heavy metal. Simple as that.

So... is that term then used wrong, too, or what should one think of it that huh?

[D.o.S.]

yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

Steppenwolf just coined the term is all.

and yeah, he's right about motorhead, but priest came around like a year before motorhead if i remember.

even more sidetracking: i think its funny that metalcore is combining thrash metal with hardcore punk. last i checked, thats what thrash metal was.

So sayeth the stickler, so it shall be.

[Dandolin]

"And the sticker takes his tickle back" or erm, the other way round.

And nobody ever accused the Carpet Crawlers of being metal.

[Dandolin]

yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

No. When the NWOBHM came to be, there alrady WAS heavy metal. Simple as that.

So... is that term then used wrong, too, or what should one think of it that huh?

Guys, guys, can't we just all die with our boots on?

[Gearmond]

yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

No. When the NWOBHM came to be, there alrady WAS heavy metal. Simple as that.

So... is that term then used wrong, too, or what should one think of it that huh?

Imo there was like Sabbath, BOC (sorta) and Cromagnon, then a lul of the post-psychadelic bands being called heavy metal when really just being hard rock, and then Priest, Motorhead, NWOBHM, etc.

the biggest problem with "what is metal" is the grayscale of rock-hard rock-old school metal-metal

[Gearmond]

metalcore: it sounds good on paper

[Achtane]

metalcore: it sounds good on paper

It doesn't sound good in any form.

[echobaseone]

Just to cloud the off topic discussion. Here is the LEAST HEAVY METAL reference to HEAVY METAL EVER, via the Red Retard or whatever he was called back then.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2_gOpU0eWU[/youtube]