The spite, hate, rage, apathy and mild irritation thread...

[snipelfritz]

I'm also irritated when people refer to dead people's nth birthday. It's fine if you want to celebrate the anniversary of their birth, but is it really necessary to state that Harry Houdini would be 137 were he still alive today?

It reminds me of Invention Pioneers of Note: "Alexander Graham Bell was old. In fact, if he was he still alive today, he'd be older than anyone else on the planet." Makes me giggle.

Ok, I think I'm done ranting for now

[01010111]

Wikipedia has lots of problems with accuracy and bias simply because anyone can add, create and edit any article. But those biases are easily repaired by anyone who can operate a computer. That problem about the transit system isn't really a liberal bias as much as it is just repetition of false information, something that could easily be remedied

Yeah, Dubkitty you're right. It is possible that the moderators could have a bias that could leak into the articles, but it's unlikely to be a very big bias. Whenever people work in groups, on a committee or whatnot, the trend is towards moderation so as to not upset the rest of the group. So while the group of moderators as a whole might have some kind of bias, the end result wouldn't be a very accurate reflection of their individual biases.

Snipelfritz the Straw Man "allegory" is something different than what you said. Your examples were examples of the logical fallacy of over-generalization. A straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent something so you can refute it easily, it's kindof like a red-herring fallacy where you introduce something that wasn't in the argument just so you can refute it. Sorry, I've taken a lot of logic classes so this kind of thing bugs me.

[snipelfritz]

Wikipedia has lots of problems with accuracy and bias simply because anyone can add, create and edit any article. But those biases are easily repaired by anyone who can operate a computer. That problem about the transit system isn't really a liberal bias as much as it is just repetition of false information, something that could easily be remedied

Yeah, Dubkitty you're right. It is possible that the moderators could have a bias that could leak into the articles, but it's unlikely to be a very big bias. Whenever people work in groups, on a committee or whatnot, the trend is towards moderation so as to not upset the rest of the group. So while the group of moderators as a whole might have some kind of bias, the end result wouldn't be a very accurate reflection of their individual biases.

Snipelfritz the Straw Man "allegory" is something different than what you said. Your examples were examples of the logical fallacy of over-generalization. A straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent something so you can refute it easily, it's kindof like a red-herring fallacy where you introduce something that wasn't in the argument just so you can refute it. Sorry, I've taken a lot of logic classes so this kind of thing bugs me.

Yes, yes, and yes. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I was using the Straw Man term. I just didn't want the example to be taken too seriously. I'm running on a couple hours sleep so I've lost track of what my original point is. I think it was something to this effect: Saying Wikipedia has a bias implies some central hub which is monitoring and filtering any and all input from random users towards a predetermined ideology. I don't believe there is that much control over the whole thing. It has a life of it's own based on the free spreading of ideas, one of the crucial tenets of democracy, i.e. classical liberalism, empowerment of the individual. So if they mean classical liberalism rather than contemporary Liberalism(two totally different things), then yes, Wikipedia absolutely does have a liberal bias in that it gives more power to the information to control and spread information whether that be correct or not, safe or harmful.

My conspiracy theory comment came from my general distaste for any implication of control by an intangible body of persons. I just think it's a big world and it's silly to think that a few people can have precise control over any part of it, but that's just me. (I almost went into another diatribe about the difference between manipulating circumstances and taking advantage of them, but I'm hungry and tired of being annoying)

[snipelfritz]

Black Keys @ Summerfest tickets = $30
Black Keys @ Summerfest tickets + fees = $53.60

What the fuck is that bullshit?!?!

[nieh]

Black Keys @ Summerfest tickets = $30
Black Keys @ Summerfest tickets + fees = $53.60

What the fuck is that bullshit?!?!

what the hell?

Goddammit...

[mathias]

Black Keys @ Summerfest tickets = $30
Black Keys @ Summerfest tickets + fees = $53.60

What the fuck is that bullshit?!?!

what the hell?

Goddammit...

That's why I'm not going to that show at Summerfest

[mathias]

Spite, hate, rage for the evening:

Went to go buy an amp, now that I can afford one. Nothing sounded good with my guitar. Angry about that, for some reason. I wanted to stay up playing a new amp tonight, damnit!

[Achtane]

Spite, hate, rage for the evening:

Went to go buy an amp, now that I can afford one. Nothing sounded good with my guitar. Angry about that, for some reason. I wanted to stay up playing a new amp tonight, damnit!

Yeah, but it's best that you find one you really dig. You've waited this long to buy one, right? A couple days or whatever is much better than settling for a less-than-stellar one.

Kinda like when everything you play sounds like crap one day and then it sounds good the next.

[mathias]

Yeah, but it's best that you find one you really dig. You've waited this long to buy one, right? A couple days or whatever is much better than settling for a less-than-stellar one.

Kinda like when everything you play sounds like crap one day and then it sounds good the next.

Yeah -- just that I want to play the amp before I buy it, and there's very little locally to pick from, especially for what I'm looking for.

I think I'm angry that I feel like I can't play guitar and/or make something sound good. It's depressing.

[warwick.hoy]

what did you try?

[mathias]

what did you try?

The two stores with vintage/used gear in town were closed by the time we got done with dinner to go look at amps. So we went to Guitar Center.

Egnater Rebel 30, which I was interested in for its line out, because I've already basically decided that the other features were gimmicky (tube blending and attenuation features are really subtle, reverb is digital and nothing to write home about.) I was actually ready to buy this amp right then and there, as I've been planning to buy this amp for months. But with my guitar, for whatever reason, it just sucked. Played the Egnater Tweaker and didn't like that.

I played a few other things, but nothing from my list of amps that seemed cool and had a line-out, because GC didn't have them.

Played some Fenders and didn't like them. No line outs ( the kind that mutes the speaker, like I need), and you have to crank them really loud to get gain and grit out of them. Not really my thing. I want quiet-to-silent.

Generally felt crappy afterwards.

[mathias]

I should add that the thing that makes me even more enraged is that people act like I don't deserve to have a nice amp because I'm asking for something small and quiet. They think they only two things in life are 100 watt full stacks (designed to play over a cheering crowd), and cheap/crappy practice amps or amp modelers, and if I can't play a 100 watt head, then all I deserve is a POD. Grr.

[warwick.hoy]

what's on your list?

[Achtane]

I should add that the thing that makes me even more enraged is that people act like I don't deserve to have a nice amp because I'm asking for something small and quiet. They think they only two things in life are 100 watt full stacks (designed to play over a cheering crowd), and cheap/crappy practice amps or amp modelers, and if I can't play a 100 watt head, then all I deserve is a POD. Grr.

Those people are dumb. Sounds like you need to check out those other stores when you can. Maybe even if you get bored, you could search pawn/consignment shops for treasure...

[mathias]

what's on your list?

Basically heads (or combos, I guess) that are 0-15 watts (or more, I guess), budget of $700-900USD, that have a line out that mutes speakers. Because I can't play through an amp in my current apt. Looking for really nice cleans and a bluesy/classic rock overdrive channel.

So the list looked something like:
Egnater 30, now knocked off the list
Blackstar HT-20 Studio, but apparently that one is kind of lifeless and the gain channel is designed to be HIGH GAINS OMG which I don't want
Engl Gigmaster, which I can't find locally

Then there's this weird amp called the Reason Bambino that's a little 2/8watt thing with sorta-3-channels, but I'll never find it locally and would have to order it, unheard, online.

Yes, there are amps like the Orange Tiny Terror and Vox Night Train, but they don't get quiet, and they don't have the line out.