Time to get my Red Panda cherry popped. Particle or Tensor?

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I have both, I'd say go with the Tensor, but expect it to take time to bond with it. I hated mine at first and wanted to return it, but it eventually became my favorite pedal. At your feet you can do so much more even without extensions like 4 button switch/MIDI. It has 2 buttons and the left switch in NXT mode can be used for setting a tempo (sort of - not tap, but duration of hold). Functionality on the Tensor is through the roof...you can do SO much. Granted you can can do quite a bit with Particle as well, if you are looking for something different, go for the Tensor. Particle is great because it also covers regular delay duties and then some. I admittedly haven't gotten nearly as deep with my particle as I have with my Tensor, but I always recommend the Tensor. I really love that pedal.

Thanks, that sorta confirms what I thought.

And yeah, the wide range of different sounds and uses comes with a lurning curve...Which is the reason I've been hesistant about getting the Tensor, I've been putting it of for years now. I also typicall don't spend this much on a pedal, especially not on somewhat weirder 'fun' pedals. From what I gather though, even *if* the glitchy pitched loop mangeling won't really do it for me, the basic reverse/slow drony ambient possibilities shoud be very useable. Psyched!

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I guess you're supposed to get both

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Can the Tensor work as well as the Particle at regular stereo delay? That's what I really need most, but I'm wondering if I should just save the $125 I'd spend on something Boss and put it towards one of these two. I'm assuming they're true stereo..?

[frigid midget]

Can the Tensor work as well as the Particle at regular stereo delay? That's what I really need most, but I'm wondering if I should just save the $125 I'd spend on something Boss and put it towards one of these two. I'm assuming they're true stereo..?

Don't have neither of the Pandas (yet), but they don't appear to be stereo.

I can't think of many genres or styles where two delay pedals aren't justified. A seperate straight forward stereo delay is never a waste, that way you could keep the Tensor/Particle dedicated to what they're best at, and you'd have a ton of great options when messing with the regular stereo delay after the Particle/tensor while it's doing something in reverse or pirtched or filtered or whatever...

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I was looking at the manuals the other day, and the v2s do accept TRS ins/outs for stereo! (So does the Context) Beyond that there's not a lot of info -- the Tensor's loop lengths are halved in stereo (or you can choose to sum to mono and pass dry stereo instead), Particle doesn't say

But yeah you're probably right, always good to have a DD-7 or something around

[frigid midget]

I was looking at the manuals the other day, and the v2s do accept TRS ins/outs for stereo! (So does the Context) Beyond that there's not a lot of info -- the Tensor's loop lengths are halved in stereo (or you can choose to sum to mono and pass dry stereo instead), Particle doesn't say

But yeah you're probably right, always good to have a DD-7 or something around

Yeah you're absolutely right, didn't check the manual, it's just what I assumed cause I didn't notice a second output on the pics

[cosmicevan]

Can the Tensor work as well as the Particle at regular stereo delay? That's what I really need most, but I'm wondering if I should just save the $125 I'd spend on something Boss and put it towards one of these two. I'm assuming they're true stereo..?

They are stereo if updated and latest chip set. I haven't gotten anything remotely similar to a delay out of my tensor (though Drolo Stamme[n] does a solid ping pong delay if you need a glitch/delay).

Tensor does the rewind thing amazingly. That's one of my main uses. Another is pitched faster.

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Been messing for mine for an hour or so, without really bothering to look into the manual obviously

As expected, not exactly an intuitive pedal to right away make pop tunes with. I'm loving the way I can control loops, don't think there's a whole lot of other compact loopers that do more than just reverse and half speed.

Edit: deleted a dumb noob question. User error. Enjoying the new toy more and more. This thing is actually pretty straight forward, weird that it somehow confused me at first. As always with loopers though, playing back a loop through the same amp you're playing through at the same time...is a mess :/
One cuts out the other, there's no real way of blending the volumes so there's a nice mix. If I'm keeping it and ever start playing out again, it's gonna be with two amps.

[Dowi]

Can the Tensor work as well as the Particle at regular stereo delay? That's what I really need most, but I'm wondering if I should just save the $125 I'd spend on something Boss and put it towards one of these two. I'm assuming they're true stereo..?

They are stereo if updated and latest chip set. I haven't gotten anything remotely similar to a delay out of my tensor (though Drolo Stamme[n] does a solid ping pong delay if you need a glitch/delay).

Tensor does the rewind thing amazingly. That's one of my main uses. Another is pitched faster.

The only way I can think of using it as a delay is with NXT mode tapping the tempo on the hold switch, but it would be a single repetition delay.

Been messing for mine for an hour or so, without really bothering to look into the manual obviously

As expected, not exactly an intuitive pedal to right away make pop tunes with. I'm loving the way I can control loops, don't think there's a whole lot of other compact loopers that do more than just reverse and half speed.

Edit: deleted a dumb noob question. User error. Enjoying the new toy more and more. This thing is actually pretty straight forward, weird that it somehow confused me at first. As always with loopers though, playing back a loop through the same amp you're playing through at the same time...is a mess :/
One cuts out the other, there's no real way of blending the volumes so there's a nice mix. If I'm keeping it and ever start playing out again, it's gonna be with two amps.

When you have this kind of "overload" problems usually the trick is to loop and then play over with two different sounds, maybe focusing on different frequency ranges, so that each layer remains recognizable, if that's your purpose.

Side note, today my substitute with newer-s/n Tensor got here, can't wait to check the extended looping time in the next days.

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Been messing for mine for an hour or so, without really bothering to look into the manual obviously

As expected, not exactly an intuitive pedal to right away make pop tunes with. I'm loving the way I can control loops, don't think there's a whole lot of other compact loopers that do more than just reverse and half speed.

Edit: deleted a dumb noob question. User error. Enjoying the new toy more and more. This thing is actually pretty straight forward, weird that it somehow confused me at first. As always with loopers though, playing back a loop through the same amp you're playing through at the same time...is a mess :/
One cuts out the other, there's no real way of blending the volumes so there's a nice mix. If I'm keeping it and ever start playing out again, it's gonna be with two amps.

When you have this kind of "overload" problems usually the trick is to loop and then play over with two different sounds, maybe focusing on different frequency ranges, so that each layer remains recognizable, if that's your purpose.

Side note, today my substitute with newer-s/n Tensor got here, can't wait to check the extended looping time in the next days.

It even bothers me when I loop a single layer and try to play something over it. Flicking the pickup selecter on my guitar and not having both the loop and the live notes in the same frequency range doesn't seem to make much difference, there's still an overload issue going on, where my singe 12" speaker refuses to treat both signals equally.
Whatever, it'll do for now. If I ever start playing out again, I'll have two amps, that should fix it.

Btw, mine also came with jiust 4 seconds of loop time, which is indeed just barely enough. Updated the firmware to increase it 8 seconds

[deeohgee]

I have both, I'd say go with the Tensor, but expect it to take time to bond with it. I hated mine at first and wanted to return it, but it eventually became my favorite pedal. At your feet you can do so much more even without extensions like 4 button switch/MIDI. It has 2 buttons and the left switch in NXT mode can be used for setting a tempo (sort of - not tap, but duration of hold). Functionality on the Tensor is through the roof...you can do SO much. Granted you can can do quite a bit with Particle as well, if you are looking for something different, go for the Tensor. Particle is great because it also covers regular delay duties and then some. I admittedly haven't gotten nearly as deep with my particle as I have with my Tensor, but I always recommend the Tensor. I really love that pedal.

Big Red Panda fan! I have an OG Context V1 with matte finish which I bought, then traded for a DMM XO and then ended up trading back a few years later for a Sweetsound Ultravibe ii - from the same guy! I could easily survive with just the Plate & Cathedral modes, sounds so friggin' amazing.
I used to have a Particle V1 but the volume drop and the slow march of GAS saw it depart my forlorn shores.

I scored a used Tensor today. Loving it so far!
My only issue is that I cant get it to configure with my M-Audio expression pedal I reset it and it made zero difference. Any Tensor users have ideas?

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It even bothers me when I loop a single layer and try to play something over it. Flicking the pickup selecter on my guitar and not having both the loop and the live notes in the same frequency range doesn't seem to make much difference, there's still an overload issue going on, where my singe 12" speaker refuses to treat both signals equally.
Whatever, it'll do for now. If I ever start playing out again, I'll have two amps, that should fix it.

That's weird, are you layering harmonically rich phrases (like, heavily distorted etc) one on another? Or maybe you are pushing the am into saturation and it compresses the signal a lot? That could be a reason. Having more speakers surely helps, but I have pretty decent results even with the Katana 50w,which has a single 12" speaker.

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It even bothers me when I loop a single layer and try to play something over it. Flicking the pickup selecter on my guitar and not having both the loop and the live notes in the same frequency range doesn't seem to make much difference, there's still an overload issue going on, where my singe 12" speaker refuses to treat both signals equally.
Whatever, it'll do for now. If I ever start playing out again, I'll have two amps, that should fix it.

That's weird, are you layering harmonically rich phrases (like, heavily distorted etc) one on another? Or maybe you are pushing the am into saturation and it compresses the signal a lot? That could be a reason. Having more speakers surely helps, but I have pretty decent results even with the Katana 50w,which has a single 12" speaker.

To put things in perspective here, it's not like one signal makes the other one cut out or anything, it's more just the typical thing everyone knows from plugging two guitars into one amp. I shouldn't expect the same results as if I were running the Tensor into a second amp. The distance and tonal difference between two different amps, the fact that the amp and speaker don't have to deal with two similar sounding frequencies,...

So yeah, thanks to my honeymoon with the Tensor, I'm currently considering my options for a second amp