Mini pedals and cheap clones (Mooer, Rowin, etc.)

[oldangelmidnight]

I like my Mooer Black Secret Rat and Mooer Eleclady flanger. Something about that flanger I love is that you can get it to self-oscillate.
I had two different Mooer Pitch Boxes and they sounded different. They both broke in different ways.
I have the Rowin Twin Looper and it doesn't work right. Sometimes the switches don't do anything. Sometimes they do the wrong thing. The documentation is nonsense.

[coldbrightsunlight]

when you enter baby pedal land, you know what you are getting yourself into with small controls and enclosures. it is the price of entry.

Oh absolutely. I didn't know at first but I only had to try the one to realise I found it annoying.

[K2000]

K2000, does the one mode on the Mooer Reecho do simple and clean digital delay without analog voicing similar to a boss dd3,dd7, etc. ? also what is the delay time on them?

I think the maximum delay time is 0.7 seconds. That's a useful range for me.

The modes are Analog, Real Echo, and Tape Echo. I don't think there is a digital delay mode(?)

[ibarakishi]

The Real Echo mode isn't clean? That was what confused me with the labeling of the name, i didn't know what real echo meant/related to? I just assumed it was a clean echo sound without coloring sound

[K2000]

I think Real Echo is cleaner than the other modes. But on the Mooer "Reecho Pro" expanded model, there is a Real Echo mode, and a Digital Delay mode. So it's not exactly the same as Digital Delay.

[frodog]

I'm weird but these pedals make me depressed to look at. Some of them might sound good but it's just the vibe of mass-produced Chinese crap made by non-musicians and shoddily designed in-house. QC is obvs gonna suffer when so many are being pumped out, so why not pay a little more for something that has less chance of breaking and will most likely sound better?

[ibarakishi]

I'm weird but these pedals make me depressed to look at. Some of them might sound good but it's just the vibe of mass-produced Chinese crap made by non-musicians and shoddily designed in-house. QC is obvs gonna suffer when so many are being pumped out, so why not pay a little more for something that has less chance of breaking and will most likely sound better?

for the form factor and sound are these at all comparable?

states reason in 5th sentence of initial post.

[frodog]

In that case; yes, they are comparable, i.e. the smaller pedal probably won't sound noticeably worse or be too small to operate (depending on your hand size). This is primitive, tried-and-true tech after all.

As for quality and aesthetic appeal? You will just have to wait and see how it works for you - if you feel the pedal is solid and doesn't give you eye cancer then good for you.

[JM Charcot]

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[julius_deane]

There are a few I've used and liked:

Eno Trouble OD: this is a great OCD clone. I hate tiny knobs on dirt pedals, though.
Kokko Overdrive: a basic TS, and I like the knobs relative to the size. *Not* true bypass
Donner Ultimate Comp: works for me; similar to Boss CS-3 and is true bypass, so it works in front of oscillating fuzz, etc.
Donner DT-1 tuner: it works. The screen may be small and dim for some. True bypass.
Rowin Noise Gate: Works for me, but I'm not picky with utility pedals.

I really want to try the Mooer E7 synth.

[ck3]

Finally had time yesterday to fire up the Mooer E7 that arrived early last week. It produces decent pad, lead, glitch-peggiation, and slow filter synth textures, but can introduce a noticeable amount of noise unless placed in a true bypass loop.

A Valeton AD-10 Analog Delay also came in the mail. I believe it is supposed to be a Boss DM-2 clone, though sounds more like a gritty oil can delay thus far. There may be a poopy buffer in my effects loop driving it a bit. Either way, it can self-oscillate and pitch shift (via knob twiddling) in the expected ways and seems just as solid as other Loft Series pedals in my current collection.

[julius_deane]

can introduce a noticeable amount of noise unless placed in a true bypass loop.

I have this problem with many cheaper digital pedals, including a couple of Mooer models. They often have to be own the exact right power supply and point in the chain, maybe with buffers somewhere. It's disappointing because it seems like this new series with presets is a crazy value.

[gila_crisis]

I used to have few these mini/cheap chinese pedals:
- Mooer Reecho: a very good sounding delay, all 3 modes are really well done! I sold it because beside my Timeline and Zoom MS70CDR, this was a bit redundant, and could'nt find a use for it.
- Mooer @Wah: I got this since though it would be a good mini pedal to replace my Digitech Synth Wah... well.. it was ok, but didn't meet my sound needs and expectations.
- Tom's Line Engineering ASR3 Shaper: for the money this is a very good digital cabinet simulator, I really recommend it!
- Ammoon Stereo Looper: on paper this is a copy/clone of the EHX 720 Looper. I wanted to use it for my drone/noise setup (together with the forementioned 720), but after few tests I sold it, because the only workflow possible was rec>play>overdub (there wasn't a way to set it to rec>overdub>play), and after few overdubs (feeding the looper with very loud signals) the loops started to degradate, clipped.. and sound very bad A shame, because This Ammon allowed you to switch the reverse/half speed fxs during the recording of your firtst layer and fade out stop, which you can't on the EHX!

[julius_deane]

A shame, because This Ammon allowed you to switch the reverse/half speed fxs during the recording of your firtst layer and fade out stop, which you can't on the EHX!

I'm hoping the 1440 fixes the first layer fxs issue.
The 720 has a fade out stop setting, which can be adjusted between full and partial loop length.

From the manual:

SELECTING/ ADJUSTING MODES – The 3 selectable modes are toggled on and off by pressing the MODE button once. When mode-select is active, the digit display will flash the currently selected mode. Turn the LOOP knob to cycle through the three possible modes:
L = Loop Select
p = Loop Progress
F = Fadeout Time
When you arrive at the mode you would like to adjust, press the MODE button once to select the mode. The display will stop flashing and it will show the selected mode value from 0-9. The selected mode can now be adjusted with the LOOP knob from 0-9.

[gila_crisis]

A shame, because This Ammon allowed you to switch the reverse/half speed fxs during the recording of your firtst layer and fade out stop, which you can't on the EHX!

I'm hoping the 1440 fixes the first layer fxs issue.
The 720 has a fade out stop setting, which can be adjusted between full and partial loop length.

thank you but I do own a 720, and know very well how it works
The Ammon has also fade out stop. The difference is that when you fade out stop on the 720, you can do nothing else, just wait until the loop stops, while on the Ammoon during fade out stop you can still switch on/off the efxs!
I'm also curious about the 1440, I really would like to read the manual to see how it works. To me the 720 is the best looper in the whole EHX catalog. feature/pricewise you can't beat it. I always wondered why the hell EHX didn't put the fade out stop into the 22500 looper.... such a shame.