The Gamechanger Audio Plus is really cool

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However it costs about as much as I use for rent, food, and sherry, for an entire month

[zoooombiex]

It's a nice pedal with some good features. I tend to get more use out of the Superego+. But if you don't need those extra features or like the layout it's a great choice.

[Bartimaeus]

I killed my gas for one by modding my ehx freeze to be controlled by a piano sustain pedal – super easy, you just add a jack and two wires. I know the plus pedal lets you fine-tune how the sustain responds much better than the freeze, but for me it's hard to justify the price difference

[zoooombiex]

Nice - that's a cool idea.

IMO the primary advantages/differences of the Plus are:

-handy form factor
-being able to trigger soft v. loud freezes
-taking off discrete layers
-slightly different timbre compared to the EHX line (maybe slightly smoother/less synthetic depending on the settings)

But the superego+ has better control over sustain & decay, more layering options, gliss (more like a warp than a true gliss though), and an array of effects that can be applied to the dry or wet signal. If you're deep into any one of those effects you might be better off with a stand-alone option. But if you just need it occasionally they are totally fine. Some dirt, the Superego+, and a dedicated reverb/delay makes for an incredibly powerful and compact rig.

[Faldoe]

Can the super go + do similar things with the note trails?

I also have an EHX HOG V1 which I use for the freeze stuff. I have only one gripe with it which is that in the Freeze/Gliss mode, if you hold notes and play over them, the additional notes eventually start to effect the original held notes. The latter start to kind of melt. Its a bit annoying to me.

[zoooombiex]

Hmm, what are the similar things you are thinking regarding the note trails?

Basically, once the frozen note is sounding on the Superego+, you can control
-effects applied to the sustained notes
-the length of the sustain (decay)
-the number of layers of sustained notes (which works like a delay feedback knob). This controls how much the volume of the existing layer(s) will drop when you add a new one. At 0, each layer completely replaces the last. At max, the existing layer is unaffected and you stack them on top of each other.

You can also control how notes are triggered, which can impact the sustained notes. E.g., if you have it set to automatically trigger new layers as you play, you'll be adding layers more quickly (which can cause older layers to quiet down depending on the layer setting). But if you have it set to manual trigger new layers, it ignores the dry signal except when you manually trigger it to freeze a new note.

Does that help?

[coldbrightsunlight]

It does seem cool. I like my superego plenty and don't think I'll replace it, but they do different things (rise control, hi/lo pass filter). I imagine the superego+ can do more of that stuff. Plus the superego does things this doesn't do e.g. the way you can change how layering works on infinite sustain, and the auto mode - they execute the same concept in different ways. Superego is substantially cheaper which is certainly a plus

Can the super go + do similar things with the note trails?

I also have an EHX HOG V1 which I use for the freeze stuff. I have only one gripe with it which is that in the Freeze/Gliss mode, if you hold notes and play over them, the additional notes eventually start to effect the original held notes. The latter start to kind of melt. Its a bit annoying to me.

I've never noticed that the held note changes at all in the superego, for as long as I have ever held one. Which is probably only a minute or two so maybe it does after a longer time.

[Faldoe]

It does seem cool. I like my superego plenty and don't think I'll replace it, but they do different things (rise control, hi/lo pass filter). I imagine the superego+ can do more of that stuff. Plus the superego does things this doesn't do e.g. the way you can change how layering works on infinite sustain, and the auto mode - they execute the same concept in different ways. Superego is substantially cheaper which is certainly a plus

Can the super go + do similar things with the note trails?

I also have an EHX HOG V1 which I use for the freeze stuff. I have only one gripe with it which is that in the Freeze/Gliss mode, if you hold notes and play over them, the additional notes eventually start to effect the original held notes. The latter start to kind of melt. Its a bit annoying to me.

I've never noticed that the held note changes at all in the superego, for as long as I have ever held one. Which is probably only a minute or two so maybe it does after a longer time.

The held note issue is on my HOG. I had a freeze and it didn't have that issue. Think it was a design/general quirk of the HOG.

[coldbrightsunlight]

Oh I'm sorry I misread your comment. Thought you were asking if the superego did the same thing you were talking about with the HOG

[rfurtkamp]

I was very tempted by one until I got a Digitech Freqout.

Feedback on demand > sustain pedal.

[coldbrightsunlight]

The size and shape of the Plus are quite off-putting to me

Like, haha it's amusing for about a second that it's a piano sustain pedal, but does it need to be so huge?

[zoooombiex]

The size and shape of the Plus are quite off-putting to me

Like, haha it's amusing for about a second that it's a piano sustain pedal, but does it need to be so huge?

It doesn't integrate as easily into pedalboards, but the size is partly related to the fact that you can do half-pedaling, so you need more travel for that. You might be able to get similar functionality with long/short pressing a switch. But IMO it's more natural with the more typical sustain pedal form. But then I also play keys, so I'm just sort of comfortable with that to begin with.

[Gone Fission]

I was very tempted by one until I got a Digitech Freqout.

Feedback on demand > sustain pedal.

Why not both? I’ll have Freeze and Freqout in line at the same time. Both good tricks but different tricks. Particularly where the Freqout is an additive tone sculptor and most Freeze pedals in basic use are transparent-ish microsamplers. (Superego does make for interesting additive transformation, but still of a different sort than the Freqout.

[coldbrightsunlight]

The size and shape of the Plus are quite off-putting to me

Like, haha it's amusing for about a second that it's a piano sustain pedal, but does it need to be so huge?

It doesn't integrate as easily into pedalboards, but the size is partly related to the fact that you can do half-pedaling, so you need more travel for that. You might be able to get similar functionality with long/short pressing a switch. But IMO it's more natural with the more typical sustain pedal form. But then I also play keys, so I'm just sort of comfortable with that to begin with.

Oh I didn't realise there was actually some gradation in it like a real pedal, thought it was just a gimmicky switch!