Gibson files Chapter 11

worra · Post by **worra** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:23 am

D.o.S. wrote:What is Fender Play?

Disarm D'arcy · Post by **Disarm D'arcy** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:29 am

aen wrote:
rfurtkamp wrote: (which is the same error Fender is going down, hiring the Disney store/Nike guy to run the show, and thus we get garbage like Fender Play and "maple everything")

Well, I have to disagree here.
Fender Play keeps people interested in their new gear. Learning to play REALLY helps. And fender is focusing on catching and keeping NEW customers, in addition to serving the established base while Gibson is trying to wring more money out of the old-school customers. If you want to keep selling guitars in a world that is NO LONGER FOCUSED ON GUITAR as the primary means of music creation, you gotta meet people where they are.

Online. At school. At home. While being female. Half of fender's new sales last year were to women. They are marketing to young women and girls just as much as they are the boys, and offering lessons to everyone. So I see that it doesn't really apply to you, someone who already knows how to play and what they like, but you don't need to be marketed to with nearly the same focus, intensity, or regularity.

And last but not least, Maple forever, rosewood is farts.

Pretty spot on yes

rfurtkamp · Post by **rfurtkamp** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:34 am

I did alpha and beta testing for it.

It's junk compared to, well...just about anything.

Rocksmith and its ilk are adaptive learning tools that aren't just play along with Youtube.

And well, Fender's been losing me for a while - both on pricing and on choices they're making.

I'm all for offering variants of things without standard features, but....when the much-vaunted new stuff doesn't come with rhythm circuits, strangle switches, et cetera...there's a reason I've been buying Gibson the last few years I suspect.

Kacey Y · Post by **Kacey Y** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:42 am

aen wrote:Maple forever, rosewood is farts.

All great points, but I have to shine a light on timeless wisdom when I see it.

friendship · Post by **friendship** » Thu May 03, 2018 12:56 pm

y'all are crazy for wanting a finished fretboard

give me that wood raw daddy

Muff_Diver · Post by **Muff_Diver** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:05 pm

friendship wrote:y'all are crazy for wanting a finished fretboard

give me that wood raw daddy

Love the finished board on a Rick. Love everything about a Rick tbh.

friendship · Post by **friendship** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:17 pm

yeah right prove it

aen · Post by **aen** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:33 pm

I mean, I really wish Fender would go back to finishing the BACKS of the necks, too. and don't give me that "it's a satin finish bro" bullshit. That's some IKEA project nonsense.

worra · Post by **worra** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:34 pm

aen wrote:I mean, I really wish Fender would go back to finishing the BACKS of the necks, too. and don't give me that "it's a satin finish bro" bullshit. That's some IKEA project nonsense.

My newest Fender has the "satin" finish and I quite like it tbh

aen · Post by **aen** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:39 pm

worra wrote:
aen wrote:I mean, I really wish Fender would go back to finishing the BACKS of the necks, too. and don't give me that "it's a satin finish bro" bullshit. That's some IKEA project nonsense.
My newest Fender has the "satin" finish and I quite like it tbh

U LIKE IKEA PROJECT NONSENS

calfzilla · Post by **calfzilla** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:46 pm

aen wrote:I mean, I really wish Fender would go back to finishing the BACKS of the necks, too. and don't give me that "it's a satin finish bro" bullshit. That's some IKEA project nonsense.

The back of the neck on my Fender is sanded off and I think it's wonderful

aen · Post by **aen** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:54 pm

calfzilla wrote:
aen wrote:I mean, I really wish Fender would go back to finishing the BACKS of the necks, too. and don't give me that "it's a satin finish bro" bullshit. That's some IKEA project nonsense.
The back of the neck on my Fender is sanded off and I think it's wonderful

This is one of those rare cases where an opinion can be wrong.

calfzilla · Post by **calfzilla** » Thu May 03, 2018 2:05 pm

Agreed... but perspective is everything

jrfox92 · Post by **jrfox92** » Thu May 03, 2018 2:44 pm

aen wrote:
rfurtkamp wrote:"maple everything")
And last but not least, Maple forever, rosewood is farts.

I'd like to note that it's likely for legal and financial purposes that they started doing that.
I imagine that after what was done to Gibson, Fender started making large strides to avoid having that shit happen to them, too.

rfurtkamp wrote: I'm all for offering variants of things without standard features, but....when the much-vaunted new stuff doesn't come with rhythm circuits, strangle switches, et cetera...there's a reason I've been buying Gibson the last few years I suspect.

Strangle/rhythm circuits are often yanked out, though. Fender's just giving the people what they want (less bullshit+lower prices).
It's like saying that Gibson's downfall was facilitated by the fact that they don't have varitone switches in every guitar of theirs.