Yo shoegaze bros, educate me on verbs

[Iommic Pope]

For those of you doing this sort of thing with heavy fuzz/dirt/distortion, what sort of wet/dry mixing are you using to get those washed layers but still remain articulate?
Just curious as i feel like anywhere over 50/50 (I usually sit around 60/40 wet) sounds rad but probably would sound like total butts to anyone not me.
Thoughts?
For reference, my dirts are all like Fuzz Thrones and Black Forests with high gain settings and no I'm not going to clean them up.
Also, I am layering with delay, but with a much lower mix on repeats (Compact Limbo III on like 30% mix).
Help me primitive battlegaze, peeps.
Magegaze.

[DRodriguez]

Heavy mix with shorter verb time are great ways to keep control of big sounding reverbs. If you want definition of your note, something with predelay can allow your note to pop out before the verb swallow it up.

Tone of the reverb can have a huge impact, especially if you are using dirt. Roll off the high end of the reverb so your dirt's treble will cut above the reverb.

Delay is also very useful for getting washy and keeping your definition. try keeping that mixed higher and the verb mixed lower.

[Iommic Pope]

You are a wealth of information, Drod. Thanks bud!
My only problem now is that I love the sound of high emd reflections and long decay

[DRodriguez]

Not that this is an option in pedals, but pre verb eq only to the verb can accomplish that. IIRC, the Abbey Road technique was something like high pass all the reverb sends at 600Hz and low pass at 10kHz. That way you won't get any information from your playing in those ranges, but the verb will still add those frequencies.

Also a scoop in the verb at like 800-2k or wherever you want your guitar to cut could do that.

Or side-chain compress your verb from your guitar signal. So it sort of ducks the verb whenever you're playing and kicks in with the full range when you aren't playing

[Iommic Pope]

That is interesting too, but I'm wondering about the viability of all that in a mono signal straight into the front of an amp.
Because I am a dinosaur and still operate as such.

[actual]

If you have the verb in the loop of an LS-2 or something like that, with an EQ before or after, then it should be fine. It's just the frequencies of the content, not the stereo image.

[manymanyhaha]

And those frequencies on the Abbey Road technique aren't set in stone. Move them up and down until it sounds good

[neonblack]

Malegaze

[OldGeorge]

I either run my verb with a low depth and a ton of dewell or really cavernous with a short dewell to keep it from getting too out of control. I rock the EQD ghost echo at 9:30 depth, 1 dwell, and almost kill the attack before my dirt. When I'm rolling after I like 1130-12, 10, 830-9 respectively. I don't really have the eq problem people talk about and I play through a sunn sceptre with no loop. Works well for me but I run a pretty stripped down rig compared to most here.

[Iommic Pope]

Malegaze

Irrationalgaze.
Dadgaze.
Daddickgaze.

I either run my verb with a low depth and a ton of dewell or really cavernous with a short dewell to keep it from getting too out of control. I rock the EQD ghost echo at 9:30 depth, 1 dwell, and almost kill the attack before my dirt. When I'm rolling after I like 1130-12, 10, 830-9 respectively. I don't really have the eq problem people talk about and I play through a sunn sceptre with no loop. Works well for me but I run a pretty stripped down rig compared to most here.

Yeah I'm out front of a very clean, warm, laney pro tube witha tc T2, after dirt peds. So very simple here as well.
I love the cathedral and ethereal settings, which may be most of my problem as that sound relies on a lot of high freq reflection. I like the long predelay setting.
As for the ls2 suggestion,i really dig that idea, but Im sort of reluctant to make this more complicated than the chain im running. Less is less.

[gnomethrone]

I run dirt into a T2 for my cosmic neanderthal jams. My favorite setting is on mode VIII:
decay @ 10 o'clock
tone @ 1
mix @ 11
pre-delay switch up
season to taste - just keep dialing back the tone and mix till your guitar sits out front nicely
It gives a nice modulated low end soup under the riff. There's a delay between my drive and fuzz that I kick on to go full space glacier.

[Iommic Pope]

Thanks man.
Yeah mode viii is nice.
Space glaciers and cosmic neanderthals are now my favorite things.

[actual]

As for the ls2 suggestion,i really dig that idea, but Im sort of reluctant to make this more complicated than the chain im running. Less is less.

The RV-500 offers lo and hi cut as well as lo and hi damping and probably a bunch more settings that could aid in this. I don't know if something the like Eventide Space does this too. Granted, they are slighty larger pedals, but the chain would hardly be more complicated. Either way, up to you (:

[tremolo3]

Rat + Space worked great for me.

I used to set the wet of Space at about 30 and always keep it fairly dark to compensate the brightness of my amp (Twin Reverb) and also the Rat. Hall mode is where I was living in for dirt tones too.

For clean tones, anything sounded beautiful through that reverb.

[xrleroyx]

I usually use delay instead of reverb. Maybe I just don't know how to 'verb. I'm really digging my Meet Maude on a really low mix setting right before a huge sounding big muff. I also keep a SHO clone at the end of my chain to boost everything.