Delay pedlol ideas needed...again :)

[frigid midget]

The Timefactor does cost a bit less than a Timeline, and it's been around for a while, there's plenty of em floating around on the used market. Which isn't the case with the Nemesis. Might be time for me to finally found out for myself what the deal is.

[Benn Roe]

I run a DL4, a Timeline, and a Tonal Recall on my board, and I'm really happy with that setup. I think you could do everything you wanted with those three, and if I were going to lose one of the three it would be the DL4. Here are my relevant thoughts for you:

1) Scrolling through banks on the Timeline is really easy without the extension pedal. You hit the first two switches together to scroll down, or the last two to scroll up. I've never found this difficult to do. In my experience, the switches are close enough to each other for this not to be a problem, but far enough apart that I rarely have issues misclicking. If you plan on running two or more delays, you probably don't want to use the extension anyway (unless you're using MIDI) because you'll probably want to use an external tap pedal to sync the tempo for all your delays. Unfortunately, the extension pedal and tap tempo pedal both use the same input jack on the Timeline. That said, it's tricky to find a tap pedal that syncs multiple pedals compatibly with Strymon stuff. The new Quartz Timer from Selah can do it, not sure about Smartclock.

2) What is it you love so much about the DL4's looper? I actually find the "record/overdub" and "play/stop" button functionality a little frustrating compared to the more common "record/play/overdub" and "stop" other pedals use. The way the DL4's setup, there's no way to record a loop without having it start playing back immediately. Usually you want your loop to playback immediately, but it comes up surprisingly often for me that I don't, and the DL4's not flexible in that regard. I also hate that if you overdub with the DL4 all your old loops start fading out, and there's nothing you can do about it. Don't get me wrong, I love the "play once" switch, but people always hold up the DL4's looper as some sort of standard to achieve, and I actually find it really inflexible. There's not even a way to control the volume of your loops. I even like the Timeline's on-board looper better. Both the Timeline and DL4's loopers play back-up to my Ditto X4, though.

3) You can find used DL4s for around $100 pretty routinely, and I paid about another $100 to have someone replace all the shitty switches, fix the volume drop, install an external tap jack, and install an additional footswitch to switch over to the looper. If you like the DL4, it can be had for half the price of a Timeline, complete with all necessary quality and functionality mods.

[UglyCasanova]

Get a Nemesis and another simple delay. The Nemesis packs the most punch for its size and you can add whatever small delay after if for this "weirder awesomer stuff" you want, although I'm sure you will find the Nemesis to be plenty weird by itself. Dive into the Neuro app and you should be able to construct some baffling stuff.

[frigid midget]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and it's the rout I'd take if money was't an issue. It's not a huge thing, but I really planned on going with *either* a two simple delays OR spend the same amount (prolly a little more though) on a Nemesis/Timefactor...

If the Nemesis weren't still so fresh and rare on the used market though, I could easily see myself rocking a Nemesis+RV3 setup.

[popvulture]

Was jus wondering about the Timefactor vs Nemesis and came across this thread. Did you ever take the plunge on a Nemesis, Frigid?

I've been GASing for a Nemesis for quite a while now, but recently I realized I hadn't given much consideration to the Timefactor. I really love my Space, so I was thinking I should give the TF a fair look. Plus I only recently found out about those Barn3 switch plates (which seem lovely to me), so having a Space and TF with improved switch functionality might be rad on a board? But then again the Nemesis seems so fucking rad...

Curious to hear what you ended up doing! Or if anyone else has compared the TF and the Nemesis, please chime in... Jwar?

[Antlerface]

TF is dope, it was my second "do it all" delay. I went DL4, TF, Timeline, Nemesis.

Settled on Nemesis/Tonal Recall for now. Will sell Nemesis (and possibly Tonal Recall.... getting into euro) for Echosystem in the near future. Empress knocked it outta the fucking park with the Reverb, I'm sure Echosystem will be lovely as well.

Nemesis is a tad smaller and easier for a dummy like me to use than the TF. Presets are great, so is the editor.

[popvulture]

Ahhhhh. Yeah loved the sound of the Empress verb, just had several other bummer issues with it and sent it back, got a Space instead. Been very happy.

The Nemesis does seems super fucking rad. Plus it's a hundo cheaper (although I'm sure I could find a TF used very easily or get a good deal with a code). My thoughts are that it since I dig the form factor of the Space, might be nice to have all that control and nice attention to detail in a delay as well.

[Antlerface]

Yeah totally. I was not used to that UI even a little bit and have too short of an attention span for menu diving, which is why I ultimately got rid of the TF and Timeline. Same w the Big Sky.

I like the Nemesis a LOT, but it appears as if the Echosystem is going to slay all delays hah

[tremolo3]

I've been GASing for a Nemesis for quite a while now, but recently I realized I hadn't given much consideration to the Timefactor. I really love my Space, so I was thinking I should give the TF a fair look. Plus I only recently found out about those Barn3 switch plates (which seem lovely to me), so having a Space and TF with improved switch functionality might be rad on a board? But then again the Nemesis seems so fucking rad...

TF is sex for regular delays, it has something in the conversion that feels right with every instrument on every mode. It surely can do some wacky sounds like bitcrush and glitches since it can go as low as 0ms and that's oscillation madness if you map feedback to expression and mess around with that. And being a dual delay it also can so washy reverb stuff but I don't think it's something you'd want having the Space heh

I went from the Timeline to the TF to the DD-500 and I don't want to try another delay pedal anymore, but I still have Tape, Vintage and Looper in my H9.

I'm gasing for a TF just for the looper though... fuck...