What do I need to start with synths

[D.o.S.]

Counterpoint the 303 owns the 404.

[actual]

Countercounterpoint no way.

[D.o.S.]

I concede.

[actual]

Great success, high-fiive!

[comesect2.0]

my sp 404 is like 7 yrs old now and been threw alot all plastic, still amazing...got a Yamaha Portatone PSR-E403 which has been droped ashed on spit on kicked fuck know what else and is still sounding beautiful...plastic....if anything my korg stuff which has been plastic has threw the years gotten a bit loose and touch pads a bit wobbly worn...so for synth now i go with awesome people who make little compact metal boxs...so great to use noise/drone synths like skychord stuff then randomly get on a keyboard and get blown...i had a few arturias and all i heard before i bought them was this will fall apart in no time....whatever.

[D.o.S.]

Guh.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EU8mEo2oc[/youtube]

[echorec]

These might not be new-new, but they're certainly not 30 years old. They are modern classics, and they have made plenty more. I agree that their latest rehashes of their machines of yesteryear are only so-so, but saying they've only made plastic garbage for the past 30 years is just wrong. Also their dominance and reputation on the pedal market can't be disputed, whether they're cool to dudes like us on ILF or not.

None of those are classics to me. To me, a classic is something that stands the test of time, and I just don't see Roland's offerings from the 90s & 00s being preserved and passed down. I'd buy 200 pieces of gear, before I'd pick up any of those. The JP8000 came out in 1997. When someone can buy analog in the present, why reach back 20 years for virtual analog? I think all 3 of those will continue to fade deeper into obscurity, with the advancement of digital technology and the resurgence of analog.

[JTurbide]

I'm 90% sure I'll go mother32 when get the money. Might s well get a keylab or some other cheap MIDI keyboard. From there, I'll expend it with modules like maths, rings etc.. but it's gonna take a while, I'm still in university so i'm broke.

[actual]

These might not be new-new, but they're certainly not 30 years old. They are modern classics, and they have made plenty more. I agree that their latest rehashes of their machines of yesteryear are only so-so, but saying they've only made plastic garbage for the past 30 years is just wrong. Also their dominance and reputation on the pedal market can't be disputed, whether they're cool to dudes like us on ILF or not.

None of those are classics to me. To me, a classic is something that stands the test of time, and I just don't see Roland's offerings from the 90s & 00s being preserved and passed down. I'd buy 200 pieces of gear, before I'd pick up any of those. The JP8000 came out in 1997. When someone can buy analog in the present, why reach back 20 years for virtual analog? I think all 3 of those will continue to fade deeper into obscurity, with the advancement of digital technology and the resurgence of analog.

That's not necessarily my definition of a classic. To me, the 'classicness' of a piece of gear can be judged just as much by factors like, whether it was a success at the time of release, what impact it had, innovation, the sound, 'being great', etc. How many people use Commodore 64's or Atari ST's today? Not nearly as many as the amount of people who used them when they were released. That doesn't make them non-classics.
You might wanna buy a JP-8000 for several reasons; because you like the sound of this specific synthesizer, because you like the music made with it (there's a lot) or you have some type of nostalgia related to it. Being 20 years old, doesn't make it bad. Some people appreciate the characteristics of the early virtual analogs and the converters of that time.

[Invisible Man]

And, when you think about it, analog synths are basically one step beyond fuzz pedals, in a way. All warm sustain and square waves.

[D.o.S.]

[actual]

And, when you think about it, analog synths are basically one step beyond fuzz pedals, in a way. All warm sustain and square waves.

Is this in reference to OP or to start an analog vs. digital discussion?

[D.o.S.]

That is in remembrance of our dead friend commenting on the transition from pedals to synths.

[actual]

Oh man, sorry to hear about that

[tremolo3]

That's not necessarily my definition of a classic. To me, the 'classicness' of a piece of gear can be judged just as much by factors like, whether it was a success at the time of release, what impact it had, innovation, the sound, 'being great', etc. How many people use Commodore 64's or Atari ST's today? Not nearly as many as the amount of people who used them when they were released. That doesn't make them non-classics.

Would you call the MicroKorg a classic?