New Strymon pedal

[Invisible Man]

Well it's a difference in active userbase, though. Ten percent of ILF is significantly smaller than Ten percent of TGP.

In that light the idea of 'gear fetishization' is stretch, since you're talking about, what -- five or six people at most for a given brand?

Dude I'm not talking about size. I mean that I used to hang out at TGP and it doesn't feel that different to lust after Analogman than it does to lust after Dr. Sci. I think Gertrude Stein said it best: a boner is a boner is a boner is a boner.

[Strange Tales]

Sure it's boring as fuck imo too. But isn't it still kinda funny seeing 8 pages of mostly disgust for this pedal and its target demographic, while we keep buying the latest greatest SS/BS stuff sight unseen

Srry, don't see much of a difference Some dudes are just into playing rehashed blues licks, others like making glitchy noises I'm sure the tgp crowd doesn't get how we go apeshit over yet another crazy fuzz box, just like their obsession with clean boosts and dumble-in-a-box shit is a mystery to us

Probably because it doesn't cost $300 to make something like this, yet the newest SS/BS was really cheap for how much went into the god damn thing.

Yes and it was extremely quirky. So it could be argued that one is no better than the other in regards to usability.

You flipped your PY before getting halfway into that rabbit hole so what would you know, buster!
Also there's a thread on tgp approaching 50 pages, the last 10 being full of its target demographic expressing contempt for the price.
And with SS/BS Pretty Years we had concept art from day 1. Not some scavenger hunt or hidden image search of clues and breadcrumb trail to YET ANOTHER BASIC DRIVE PEDAL. We got a quirky or utility dirt/oddmod/drone box with a trio of microtubes and 4 diff resonant filters with 10 knobs and 8 toggles...in a considerably more handsome enclosure put together by a 1 man operation

Plus a 12" lp and awesome t-shirt.

The album was great. The pedal was good. I spend a lot of time with it, but for me as a bass player I could not find anything usable. Maybe if I were just making noise it'd be the best ever? Who knows.

My point was in the usability. Now Brian didn't claim anything about that, so I'm not disappointed, I knew what I'd be getting and love him and his pedals. I just don't jive with them on bass. Not sure why?

I was simply stating that it funny people are so weird about dropping 300 on this versus that. You don't know how much r@d goes into any of their pedals or how much it costs to program them, have the enclosure custom fabricated, anodize and screened. How could you unless you worked for Strymon? I doubt they put out things without doing a lot of research.

I'm not even a fan of Strymon. I just think it's hilarious how jaded folks around here are about certain brands.

OH Praise and Worship bro. Can't use that.

Riverside: $300 dollar DSP overdrive with 3 band EQ and 1 preset.

PY: $325 Wasp filter fed through 3 tube gain stages with frequency modulation, multiple routing options, and various clipping options. No presets though.

I'm not arguing "Strymon is shit" I'm arguing "This pedal costs way too much money considering the fact you can build one for like $50 but you're missing one preset."

[D.o.S.]

Well it's a difference in active userbase, though. Ten percent of ILF is significantly smaller than Ten percent of TGP.

In that light the idea of 'gear fetishization' is stretch, since you're talking about, what -- five or six people at most for a given brand?

Dude I'm not talking about size. I mean that I used to hang out at TGP and it doesn't feel that different to lust after Analogman than it does to lust after Dr. Sci. I think Gertrude Stein said it best: a boner is a boner is a boner is a boner.

I'm not discounting that you can't differentiate between the two. Don't mistake me there.

[rustywire]

Jwar you're my dude, even if ya prefer an active bass
BUSTERS GONNA BUST. Ballbreakers gonna break balls

The TGP/ILF comparison can use some context. It's true we all fall into the same sort of electronic niche, more or less. However prevailing tudes around here do differ from there like different cultures. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there's no accounting for taste and all that.

I appreciate the significance of a community being conspicuously crestfallen for this Strymon offering; where many players typically get hype over the last big thing drive pedal rebranded as the next big thing drive pedal. Where Strymon fanboys gather and premium priced pedals are typically worn as a badge around those show&tell threads. Doesn't make it bad. I do sympathize with that sentiment of being underwhelmed after the buildup.

Strymon is fine, no shade. It isn't about that. I bet the fella behind the brand is a swell guy who is passionate about this stuff like the rest of us. Brian especially, there's really no need to lionize him, his work speaks volumes. Pretty Years is my first SS/BS pedal, not the cure for cancer. It's a comparison for what similar money got me, as well as the contrast in approach/pitch/presentation & delivery. Yes, variety is the spice of life. That said, I'd rather have 2 PY than 1 PY and a Riverside. To each their own.

[D.o.S.]

:v has been missing from the last few posts and the community of ILF will not stand for it!


:v

[rfurtkamp]

UR MOMS ARE ALL STRYMON-LOVING WHOREZORS.

[Jwar]

Just to be clear, I was not saying the PY's is a bad pedal or that it doesn't deserve the price point or even in excess of that price point. I was trying to compare it to what ILF enjoys vs another dirt pedal that's hitting the market that's not in the same class, but same price point.

To me I still think it's funny because some are assuming they know the pricing of building a pedal, which I can assure you that the new Strymon does not cost 50 bucks. LOL. That's a delusional dream, but a nice one. Now could it cost 150? For fucking sure! Or maybe a little less. Does that mean that it should cost 150 or less? No. How would the company make profit if they sold it for what it costs to make. That would be just dumb as hell.

It's also funny to me that people are so fucking weird about talking shit on things they wouldn't use without trying them or even knowing someone that tried one. There's several pedals or pedal lines I won't fuck with for a number of reasons, but they are all good reasons. Not the premise of a certain group of people using them, which is just plain dumb and ignorant or that I think I know for a fact they suck and have never tried them.

I don't even like Strymon's shit, but I've owned many of their pedals multiple times and come to that determination through actually trying the product, not just seeing them and sneering at them because "that's too much money", which is totally subjective based on your income and numerous other factors.

Sigh. I won't argue my point anymore because I've been down this route with ILF before. I think you guys are all high, but that's cool. I love you guys because of how quirky and odd you are because I'm quirky and odd. I mean, why else would I try to play devil's advocate and get your panties in a bunch. It's because I enjoy it.

Kisses my loves.

[JonnyAngle]

It's also funny to me that people are so fucking weird about talking shit on things they wouldn't use without trying them or even knowing someone that tried one.

Kisses my loves.

Maybe you didn't get the memo.... This is the internet and we all know everything.

xoxo,
Gossip Girl

[Disarm D'arcy]

Yeah but aren't Strymon using spinchips anyways?

[Jwar]

It's also funny to me that people are so fucking weird about talking shit on things they wouldn't use without trying them or even knowing someone that tried one.

Kisses my loves.

Maybe you didn't get the memo.... This is the internet and we all know everything.

xoxo,
Gossip Girl

It's true. SO true.

[D.o.S.]

Just to be clear, I was not saying the PY's is a bad pedal or that it doesn't deserve the price point or even in excess of that price point. I was trying to compare it to what ILF enjoys vs another dirt pedal that's hitting the market that's not in the same class, but same price point.

To me I still think it's funny because some are assuming they know the pricing of building a pedal, which I can assure you that the new Strymon does not cost 50 bucks. LOL. That's a delusional dream, but a nice one. Now could it cost 150? For fucking sure! Or maybe a little less. Does that mean that it should cost 150 or less? No. How would the company make profit if they sold it for what it costs to make. That would be just dumb as hell.

It's also funny to me that people are so fucking weird about talking shit on things they wouldn't use without trying them or even knowing someone that tried one. There's several pedals or pedal lines I won't fuck with for a number of reasons, but they are all good reasons. Not the premise of a certain group of people using them, which is just plain dumb and ignorant or that I think I know for a fact they suck and have never tried them.

I don't even like Strymon's shit, but I've owned many of their pedals multiple times and come to that determination through actually trying the product, not just seeing them and sneering at them because "that's too much money", which is totally subjective based on your income and numerous other factors.

Sigh. I won't argue my point anymore because I've been down this route with ILF before. I think you guys are all high, but that's cool. I love you guys because of how quirky and odd you are because I'm quirky and odd. I mean, why else would I try to play devil's advocate and get your panties in a bunch. It's because I enjoy it.

Kisses my loves.

Do you think "that's too much money for what it does" is a valid critique of an in-production piece of gear?

[rustywire]

Yeah, things are expensive, R&D doesn't come cheap. I get it. For the purposes of my comparison such a factor is inconsequential.
Commentary on what 1 pedal delivers for 300 vs another delivers for 300.
Does the pedal deliver functionality, and by extension value sufficient to justify its cost of admission?

An out of context price comparison is meaningless. I think the important question is "What does the money get me?"
Not using a pedal (or anything you like) exclusively because others who you dislike happen to use or associate with it...is silly.


Edit: DoS got to the point 1st and kept it warm for me

[Jwar]

PENIS

Do you think "that's too much money for what it does" is a valid critique of an in-production piece of gear?

Well sure, but it's still subjective obviously. Ones man's garbage is another man's treasure. So I could see that argument for sure. There have been a TON of pedals I thought were just nutso overpriced, LOL. Many from ILF builders too. On the other hand I've also though, man I would have easily paid more for this, they are nuts.

There are some fuzzes (COUGH DAM COUGH) that I think are boring as shit, but cost a boat load of money. People will buy the shit out of them though. Not here so much, but in general.

So I do think yes, things can be over priced for what they do, but at the same time, it's hard to have that stance because everyone is different. Make sense?

[popvulture]

Well, typically the market establishes a rough value for something, and producers stay within that range if they want to move units. Of course someone will occasionally break from that and raise the price, which is always a gamble. Sometimes it works.

I think it especially applies to this pedal, because as I mentioned a while back, 300 bucks is a lot of money for a modeling pedal when there are cheaper, more "authentic" options.

Of course that's all subjective

[rustywire]

Why do I always read your entire posts?
Must be the bad good bad-meaning-good taste.