I want to emigrate.

[floating opera]

to be honest, if you at any Totalitarian or Fascist government, one characteristic each share is a strong centralized 'government.'

I don't know how much wikipedia you've read but I think it's time you pick up a real book on politics and gave the internet a rest. You're making yourself look like a fool... as if one can say that say (or even imply) that any and all gov't that are centralized are either totalitarian or fascist.

which books do you recommend i read? i'd be more than happy to seek them out and read them.

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-Locke Second treatise of government (an argument for democracy and government in general)
-John Rawls Justice as Fairness (essentially an add-on to Locke's social contract)
-The Federalist Papers (based on your posts I'm pretty sure you didn't understand what they were saying if you did read it (the sparks notes could help you understand it better but are very misleading in places); and focus on the papers before 30, the ones after that deal with the specific institutions and aren't as fun to read) number 10 is critical.
-Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville: very important for understanding the American mindset, and why a system that requires more action on the part of citizens is likely not to work.

If you make it through that much you should at least have an understanding of why America is the way it is. From your posts it sounds like you've been listening to Hayek, who I'm pretty was responsible criminalizing socialism in the eyes of the American public.

[floating opera]

-Locke Second treatise of government (an argument for democracy and government in general)
-John Rawls Justice as Fairness (essentially an add-on to Locke's social contract)
-The Federalist Papers (based on your posts I'm pretty sure you didn't understand what they were saying if you did read it (the sparks notes could help you understand it better but are very misleading in places); and focus on the papers before 30, the ones after that deal with the specific institutions and aren't as fun to read) number 10 is critical.
-Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville: very important for understanding the American mindset, and why a system that requires more action on the part of citizens is likely not to work.

If you make it through that much you should at least have an understanding of why America is the way it is. From your posts it sounds like you've been listening to Hayek, who I'm pretty was responsible criminalizing socialism in the eyes of the American public.

hey thanks for the recommendation but i was specifically asking el-bandito for his book recommendations. i actually have copies of everything except Rawls but you are right i have not read them yet. been meaning to... (& your off about Hayek...)

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I have some books like that too, I buy them because they have knowledge I want, I'm just too lazy to read them.

In what way am I off about Hayek? His argument about socialism being an immoral system (including the comparison that you made earlier about how centralized the facism and communism are), and the time period it was released (1948ish), closely precede the McCarthy hearings and the anti-communist sentiments that were very big in the 50's.

[floating opera]

I have some books like that too, I buy them because they have knowledge I want, I'm just too lazy to read them.

In what way am I off about Hayek? His argument about socialism being an immoral system (including the comparison that you made earlier about how centralized the facism and communism are), and the time period it was released (1948ish), closely precede the McCarthy hearings and the anti-communist sentiments that were very big in the 50's.

a) i am not reading/listening to Hayek
b) i am not against Socialism

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oh...my bad
That thing you brought up about the two forms of government (socialism/facism) being similar in that they have highly centralized governments, is also a big point in his book, The Road to Serfdom. So I thought you had read it.

[elbandito]

hey thanks for the recommendation but i was specifically asking el-bandito for his book recommendations.

why me, specifically? I specifically asked you a few questions and you conspicuously avoided each of them in turn.

i'm pretty much done with this thread but I'd like to re-affirm my original statement/invitation to anyone that feels overwhelmed by the "state of the union". It doesn't matter where the change begins from... It only matters that a change occurs.

[floating opera]

hey thanks for the recommendation but i was specifically asking el-bandito for his book recommendations.

why me, specifically? I specifically asked you a few questions and you conspicuously avoided each of them in turn.

i'm pretty much done with this thread but I'd like to re-affirm my original statement/invitation to anyone that feels overwhelmed by the "state of the union". It doesn't matter where the change begins from... It only matters that a change occurs.

I don't know how much wikipedia you've read but I think it's time you pick up a real book on politics and gave the internet a rest.

^this...

[McSpunckle]

Sarah Palin has a book about politics... it's real. I touched a copy!

Just 'cause something's in a book doesn't mean it's credible. And just because something's on the internet doesn't mean it's not credible. They're all sources of information. It's the duty of the person doing the reading to verify their own opinions through research.

Either way, making rape victims get a vaginal sonogram is wrong and should not be considered OK in -any- country. And I think the guy in the original video made a great point about how, if men had babies, abortion wouldn't even be an issue. Sexism is very real in this country (and likely everywhere), no matter what we'd like to believe.

[floating opera]

i agree with that. but i don't think Federalism is going to be a panacea for sexism & misogyny. a strong Federal government is inherently counterpoised to "Change."

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[floating opera]

you know what sucks are these burka bans: legislating what a womyn can and cannot wear in public is morally wrong. & this is a growing global trend that i think is extremely abhorrent.