Holy PLL clone

[Chankgeez]

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[Inconuucl]

I miss my dimehead so much.

Also for posterity:

feel free to build one for us then

You just don't get it do you? You can't ask someone to build you this. This is a mans masterpiece.
If you had been paying attention you would have noticed an emerging new kind of pedal.
Through the duck tape, booby traps and chaos you would have glimpsed the true nature behind John Schumann's original design.
This is the very pedal that caused him to give up building after completing only a few units.
Years ago, I remember hearing a customer sent his Pll back for repair and after 3 months of waiting received an unusual email.
I am not lying when I tell you this. It was revealed that Schumann, who had never kept a Pll for himself, had over the
years forgotten the design and fell in love with the customers pedal, attempting to run off with it.

This is not the mark of a regular builder. You see, I've encountered few pedals like this.
Each pedal is a meticulous labor of love. It's eccentric genius cannot be held to the same standard as a regular boutique.
It is the pinnacle of unobtainium. A boutique boutique where the builder has poured his very soul into what he is creating to
the point it transcends itself and becomes art. This is the shit legends are made of.

You do not understand what's happening. To simply have someone else build you one is an insult to this mans art.
If you don't appreciate it enough build your own interpretation then you do not understand what is it, you cannot comprehend what you
are playing and you don't deserve it.

[Antlerface]

I'm perfectly content owning a forgery, so long as it admits exactly what it is... A forgery. A copy.

I would be lying if I said I didn't intend to build one for myself, but I'm too damn impatient and want to use one now.

This is going to be a placeholder until I build something similar.

[Inconuucl]

I'm perfectly content owning a forgery, so long as it admits exactly what it is... A forgery. A copy.

I would be lying if I said I didn't intend to build one for myself, but I'm too damn impatient and want to use one now.

This is going to be a placeholder until I build something similar.

Naw, The PLL is just a pedal, even Schumann copied from somewhere. It's just that that paragraph is the closest ILF has to a copypasta.

I've wanted to get into building to eventually make one for myself, with a resonant filter added.

[Antlerface]

I'm looking to figure out half a dozen usable sounds and set them as presets in one 6 button enclosure. Just a volume and gain for each.

Lofty? Yes. Impractical? Yeah.

Am I going to do it anyways? Maybe.

[D.o.S.]

It's just that that paragraph is the closest ILF has to a copypasta.

I don't know what that is but I think the most pertinent/cultural quote comes from dearly beloved tuffteef:

no wait i have to say it
you are so retarded

you act like schumann invented the bloody PLL
PLL is used for so many applications including Audio conversion and Radio Tracking

people have been using PLL for synthesis for ages before he came along
his PLL is literally just a PLL..
no secrets no tricks
literally a PLL

Or:

Damn it MLC, you always drink the last of the unicorn blood!

[Strange Tales]

Does this mean I can take the Doepfer PLL, stuff it in a pedal box and mark it up 4 times it's actual cost?

Shit this is a fullproof plan.

[Chankgeez]

Wait, so you're saying that Schumann didn't invent phase-locked loops?

[Antlerface]

Strange Tales might be onto something..

[Inconuucl]

Strange Tales might be onto something..

Seeing how the original PLL ran at the same voltage than eurorack does, that's not far off mark, actually.

[Antlerface]

That's what I'm sayin...

Rehouse, 9v conversion, line level.. $500 plz thx

[autopilot]

some questions for the pll users (those who had, those that has one and for those who lust for one).

what is the attractiveness of the pll (wackyness, glitchness, unprecditable, newness in terms of sounds, etc)?

what features are a must have in one and which ones you dont/didnt care?

how important is the lock/track? (i dont mind a glitch but i also dont like to have a random oscillator ruling my toanz)

what type of sound are you trying to achieve with one?

[Inconuucl]

some questions for the pll users (those who had, those that has one and for those who lust for one).

what is the attractiveness of the pll (wackyness, glitchness, unprecditable, newness in terms of sounds, etc)?

what features are a must have in one and which ones you dont/didnt care?

how important is the lock/track? (i dont mind a glitch but i also dont like to have a random oscillator ruling my toanz)

what type of sound are you trying to achieve with one?

Aside from the glitch and synth tones, the dual pll circuit of the Schummann provides a HUGE sound that can either achieve really punishing fuzz tones or really unguitarlike synth tones, almost like an angry theremin. Because of this the tracking circuit is paramount, to have a weak one severely limits the versatility of the pedal.

I feel like all of the features on the standard Schumann as more or less essential to the sound, maybe a simplification of the tracking knobs would be good. One thing that did bother me was how little the tone knob actually did, which is why I made an earlier comment about how I wanted a resonant moog-like filter instead.

[Antlerface]

some questions for the pll users (those who had, those that has one and for those who lust for one).

what is the attractiveness of the pll (wackyness, glitchness, unprecditable, newness in terms of sounds, etc)?

what features are a must have in one and which ones you dont/didnt care?

how important is the lock/track? (i dont mind a glitch but i also dont like to have a random oscillator ruling my toanz)

what type of sound are you trying to achieve with one?

Attractiveness, for me at least, is the uniqueness of the whole package. There aren't a whole lot of damn near unclassifiable effects out there.

The circuit, as a whole, is the appeal of it. It's not one specific thing about it.

Lock/tracking is very important. It's what makes the thing the thing.

DBRRRRRRR WAHNGUHKGUHKGUHKGUHK SCREeEeEeEeEWUbbbbb

[chrisdermo]

some questions for the pll users (those who had, those that has one and for those who lust for one).

what is the attractiveness of the pll (wackyness, glitchness, unprecditable, newness in terms of sounds, etc)?

what features are a must have in one and which ones you dont/didnt care?

how important is the lock/track? (i dont mind a glitch but i also dont like to have a random oscillator ruling my toanz)

what type of sound are you trying to achieve with one?

For me it's the sheer beef of the sound, hefty, thick slab of synth, and that it is in itself a massively varied box of unique sounds. Fuzz, synth, glitch, phase, filter, slow attack, envelope filter etc......

I haven't played a Schumann but the mini ark was very hard to find a tracking sweet spot on the knobs for me, I could get there but It was a bit of a struggle, which made it less viable for live use. The 4046 tracks like a dream by comparison, even with the tone knobs up and not using the neck pickup on your guitar. The flex xs tracks about the same as the mini ark but is almost completely unrepeatable for settings, and in any non-glitchy setting the oscillator sound is a little vanilla and doesn't carry the weight of the other two. Harmonic decoder tracks awful and sounds like ass - it does 'glitch' only.
The mini ark has very few controls for shaping the response of the PLL - they're all kept as presets in the magic selector, which is great as it means you can recall a sound instantly, but on my ideal PLL this preset switch would be featured alongside an option for full control of PLL parameters like the 4046 and schumanns

I'm surprised there isn't a PLL yet with an assignable lfo, some of the best sounds I've got out of them come from constant movement of knobs and causes the circuit to react very different to a static setting. Combine that with a drone switch, and the clean blend and blue box style -2 octave from the mini ark with full PLL controls and I'd sign straight up. Other ideas - pitch tracking ring mod a la vitruvian mod or mothership, some sort of resonant filter