Delay pedlol ideas needed...again :)

[frigid midget]

Seems like I can't kill my GAS for even more delay pedlols to try out. Right now the plan would be to find something that combines as many as possible of the delay types/modes/tricks that I love and can't do with my current delay arsenal. I could use some help from those who have a decent knowledge of the current delay market

Dual delay times. Two different settings, one switch to alternate.

Sweep delay like that of the DL-4, or similar. Seems like a filter/phaser thing, not sure how to call it.

Band delay. Eventide H3000 style. Plugging an envelope filter into an fx-loop equiped delay pedal seems like a rather elobrate approach

Reverse delay, DD-5 style. This one could get tricky without actually getting a DD-5. Which would't be pricey I guess, but it doesn't seem like an efficient use of board real etate for just one mode imo

Looper, DL-4 style. Another one that falls in the mission impossible category. Right?

Pattern Delays. Too bad I couldn't at all get along with the TimeBender

Analog delay. Just your basic not-too-dark-not-too-bright bbd style repeats.

I'm aware that just a DL-4 would nail five of those requirements at once. But I'm disgusted by the shitty build quality, and I also don't like the idea of sacrifising half the surface of my board. The slight volume drop could be fixed I guess, but still..Those flimsy switches and knobs ruin it for me...:/a
Echo Park delays have gone up in price for some reason. And the god awefull enclosure and clunky switch are just beyond stupid.

So I'm looking for one -or more realisticly two- pedal(s) to cover as much of the above as possible. Thanks.

[Eivind August]

TC Electronic something something? Or, you know, Boss DD500, Nemesis et al. Realistically, you might want to look into getting/building a bigger board if you want all of the sounds.

[frigid midget]

Gotto admit, I haven't looked into all the possibilities of all the TC stuff, and all I know about the DD500 and Nemesis comes from a couple short demo clips. Don't really know what a Time Factor or Time Line is capable of either.

I actually think I should be able to fit a large delay pedal on my board if I sacrifise one or two of my 6 dirt pedals that don't get used a lot.

But size isn't my biggest concern (yes, still talking about peds and boards), I still have my 'old' board laying around, ready to use. I'd Just wanna try to force myself to not go overboard again (sick pun rite) and end up with too many pedals that'll just distract me from playing guitar...

[Eivind August]

Well, looking at the number of times you've brought this topic up one way or another, it seems like getting some ultimate does-it-all delay would be a wise investment for you.

[frigid midget]

Yeah, I'm always trying to convince myself that less is more, but I'm bound to end up with a full blown does-it-all delay

But even than, the Time Factor isn't as easy to use as the Timeline, neither have the awesome looper of the DL-4, the Nemesis is the most compact of the bunch, the DD500 does a couple tricks none of the others can, etc etc...

My "two simple analog delays" game plan has served me well for a couple weeks, but not having at least a couple of the above effects is kinda frustrating

[Eivind August]

Well, get the one that does most of stuff you want? Maybe a Boss DD-x would be enough to keep you happy? Or a moded DL-4? Sounds like you have to figure out which of the above effects are most important to you.

[Dr. Sherman Sticks M.D.]

what i don't really get about these multi all in one delays is that u can only use 1 delay mode at a time most of the time. i'd rather have a few delay pedals that do different things that i could combine as well.

[Dr. Sherman Sticks M.D.]

oh also did u look at the zoom ms70cdr thing? seems like it would fit your bill

[ThurberMingus]

Actually I think the TimeLine ticks almost all of these boxes. It's a good pedal.

[frigid midget]

what i don't really get about these multi all in one delays is that u can only use 1 delay mode at a time most of the time. i'd rather have a few delay pedals that do different things that i could combine as well.

That's actually one of the main reasons I went back to using two seperate smaller delays. They each have their own perks, and if you combine 'em you often end up with way weirder awesomer stuff than what any run of the multi delay contraption has to offer. Another thing most multi delays don't allow: sandwiching a dirt pedal the two delay peds. Or put whatever other pedal inbetween for that matter, or even a whole chain of effects

Too few of these big delay peds can do reverse + swell, or slap back into quarter, or dotted eighth into looper,...Or at least the ones I messed with

I looked into the zoom ms70cdr. The specs, the list of effects and tweakable parameters...Is beyonde impressive. Which, because of how shitty the pedal looks and how icredibly cheap it is, makes it seem too good to be true...

I have a hard time believing this thing can really convincingly mimmick a CE-1, a Memory Man, an Echoplex, etc etc...:/
Even the more pricey delay modelers I tried had at least a couple of modes that were kinda meh or worse...
It's not like I'm the sort of corksniffer that needs pristine tape emulation for his recordings or whatever, but I would be using this next all-in-one delay as my one and only go-to delay, and I've had too many really nice delay peds to end up settling for one that sounds okay-ish...

I'll take a closer look though, check some more clips and reviews and what not.

Looked into the Timeline a bit better. Seems to ticks enough of the boxes, and it does a bunch more that I could really see myself having a ton of fun with. But one thing I missed...How easy is it to go from one user preset to another? I mean on the fly, in a live situation, where you don't want to do somekind of tap dance to scroll through banks or whatever. There's just two presets switches and one for tap tempo, right?

[coldbrightsunlight]

Yeah, I'm always trying to convince myself that less is more

But as Yngwie knows, less is not more. More is more.

[fcknoise]

Looked into the Timeline a bit better. Seems to ticks enough of the boxes, and it does a bunch more that I could really see myself having a ton of fun with. But one thing I missed...How easy is it to go from one user preset to another? I mean on the fly, in a live situation, where you don't want to do somekind of tap dance to scroll through banks or whatever. There's just two presets switches and one for tap tempo, right?

I think there is a controller thing you can add on to easier switch between presets, alternatively have dedicated looper switches. Don't know for sure though

[frigid midget]

Looked into the Timeline a bit better. Seems to ticks enough of the boxes, and it does a bunch more that I could really see myself having a ton of fun with. But one thing I missed...How easy is it to go from one user preset to another? I mean on the fly, in a live situation, where you don't want to do somekind of tap dance to scroll through banks or whatever. There's just two presets switches and one for tap tempo, right?

I think there is a controller thing you can add on to easier switch between presets, alternatively have dedicated looper switches. Don't know for sure though

Yeah, you might be right, just found out about that myself. A 100Euro controller for a 500Euro delay pedal...:/
I decided to go all out on this one and not be stinchy...But that sort of money could buy me a decent amp or amp...:s

[fcknoise]

Ugh. The fact that I own two eventides makes me feel weird sometimes. Acquired through trading and buying used though, I think that's the road to go. Look for stuff to sell, and put some money away and it won't hurt to much.

[frigid midget]

The Timefactor does cost a bit less than a Timeline, and it's been around for a while, there's plenty of em floating around on the used market. Which isn't the case with the Nemesis. Might be time for me to finally found out for myself what the deal is.