After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[Chankgeez]

What about other cultures that just clash with our foreign policy?

[doominchains]

You misspelled milquetoast dummy!

[Mudfuzz]

You misspelled milquetoast dummy!

just be thankful I bothered and learn how to quote attachments and the dynamics of doge

[D.o.S.]

Think William F. Buckley/Yuppies/etc. The boatshoes and tax breaks set.

Yes, this is what I meant. People who may actually identify with Mitt Romney. Those who believe in trickle down economics, not because they're stupid, but because they know it works...for them. (The quotation marks were referencing the fact that I think conservativism is by definition xenophobic and the Trumplings are truly more conservative than those who claim the term...but that's another discussion entirely)

"Conservatism (or conservativism) is any political philosophy that favours tradition (in the sense of various religious, cultural, or nationally-defined beliefs and customs) in the face of external forces for change, and is critical of proposals for radical social change."


I can see how people would think conservatism means opposition to different cultures or fear of them and their possible influence but from what I've heard and understand from Conservatives that I don't think are idiots, I there is a difference between being concerned about people from different cultures that clash with ( or oppose) our Constitutional rights and those that just don't want "foreigners" in their country.

The former is a reasonable concern.

Sure, if you subscribe to the mildly antiquated views of, say, a Samuel Huntington. But, of course, those sorts of theories are over 20 years old at that point, and a lot of people a lot smarter than I am have spent tons of time advocating and poking holes in the idea. I kind of go back and forth on it, myself.

I also think you're positing this as a binary when, IMO, it's much more of a gradient.

[doominchains]

What about other cultures that just clash with our foreign policy?

Our foreign policy hasn't been great since Vietnam. That doesn't have much to do with why Trump is the Republican nominee though or even why a person would lean Republican this election cycle.

[Mudfuzz]

Think William F. Buckley/Yuppies/etc. The boatshoes and tax breaks set.

Yes, this is what I meant. People who may actually identify with Mitt Romney. Those who believe in trickle down economics, not because they're stupid, but because they know it works...for them. (The quotation marks were referencing the fact that I think conservativism is by definition xenophobic and the Trumplings are truly more conservative than those who claim the term...but that's another discussion entirely)

"Conservatism (or conservativism) is any political philosophy that favours tradition (in the sense of various religious, cultural, or nationally-defined beliefs and customs) in the face of external forces for change, and is critical of proposals for radical social change."


I can see how people would think conservatism means opposition to different cultures or fear of them and their possible influence but from what I've heard and understand from Conservatives that I don't think are idiots, I there is a difference between being concerned about people from different cultures that clash with ( or oppose) our Constitutional rights and those that just don't want "foreigners" in their country.

The former is a reasonable concern.

Sure, if you subscribe to the mildly antiquated views of, say, a Samuel Huntington. But, of course, those sorts of theories are over 20 years old at that point, and a lot of people a lot smarter than I am have spent tons of time advocating and poking holes in the idea. I kind of go back and forth on it, myself.

I also think you're positing this as a binary when, IMO, it's much more of a gradient.

I agree with D.o.S. also, we've already done this in this thread all I'll add is lately people are really giving me a urge to drive around and throw dictionary at people

[doominchains]

You misspelled milquetoast dummy!

just be thankful I bothered and learn how to quote attachments and the dynamics of doge

Sophistry! You misspelled milquetoast, face it.

Of course I'm a noob. Sorry to break up the libtard circle jerk.

Paul Ryan is on your side, you just don't know. He's a RINO.

[Chankgeez]

What about other cultures that just clash with our foreign policy?

Our foreign policy hasn't been great since Vietnam. That doesn't have much to do with why Trump is the Republican nominee though or even why a person would lean Republican this election cycle.

I think it goes back much farther than that, but, you're right, Trump's the Republican nominee because we, as a nation, watch too much TV.

[Mudfuzz]

You misspelled milquetoast dummy!

just be thankful I bothered and learn how to quote attachments and the dynamics of doge

Sophistry! You misspelled milquetoast, face it.

Of course I'm a noob. Sorry to break up the libtard circle jerk.

Paul Ryan is on your side, you just don't know. He's a RINO.

I like you

[doominchains]

Just for clarification, as someone who views uS class warfare from an outsider perspective, snip, can you please clarify what you mean by "educated 'conservative'"?
Honest question, as I think we have a similar demographic down here but I'd like to know what it is in your context.

Conservatives are like everyone else. They just don't cry as loudly.

Joking aside, roughly the same schism exists everywhere in the west. There are people who would rather get shot in a nightclub or get run over by a truck than be considered racist and then there are people who don't want to get shot in a nightclub or ran over by a truck.

[D.o.S.]

We have definitely already done that in this thread, for sure.

[doominchains]

Hillary's been chosen by our overlords and it's as if this country doesn't even have sovereignty anymore.

I kind of like the idea that Hilary, who is obviously privy to specific interests, is somehow more emblematic of an oligarch than Trump... who is, you know, an actual oligarch.

And I prefer Johnny Thunders.

I never said I was pro Trump. But the Pied Piper seems to be a Democrat.

[D.o.S.]

I mean I'm going to go out on a very short limb here and guess that you're a Bill Hicks fan so I'm obliged to point out that this is the part where you're refusing to acknowledge that there's one guy holding up both puppets.

[D.o.S.]

Which, whatever. Be contrarian. You do you.

[Chankgeez]

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