Is it possible to make rap-rock NOT shitty?

[D.o.S.]

No I mean if you wanted to piss off Zach De La Rocha specifically you'd probably, you know, call him a whiteboy. Cause, you know, he isn't.

But, of course, this is from the same mouth that birthed "how the fuck is 'urban radio' racist" and so on.

[Jwar]

Ah I getcha. LOL

[Inconuucl]

[Invisible Man]

So now I'm rollin down rodeo with a shotgun
These people ain't seen a brown-skinned man since their grandparents bought one

Ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch

[BitchPudding]

The Blakroc Project is a really good example of rap rock working well I think.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vtWNDI_EOI[/youtube]

That sort of swampy, slow, bluesy, dirty style fits that genre way better than trying to cram metal into a rap shaped hole IMO.

[rustywire]

But don't De La Rocha's whiteboy dreads have magickal powers?

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He's Mexican mixed with Irish and German. Does that qualify as white boy status? The German and Irish overrides the Mexican? Just curious.

Turns out the construction of race is really complex, for reasons like these.


But for real, i enjoy Death Grips in the most passing of ways. I like the idea of industrial hip hop more than the playing out, i think.

[casecandy]

I didn't know Zach was Mexican. Don't know anything about him, really, only ever listened to the band.

I believe what would have given me the impression would be a line in one of RZA's books where he talks about Wu Tang being on tour with Rage and how the other guys in the band were "wondering when they gonna stop touring with these whiteboys" or something to that effect.

My bad, D.o.S.

Although in my defense are dreads a Mexican thing, either?

[gnomethrone]

"FUCK YOU I WON'T GROOM HOW YOU TELL ME"

[rustywire]

^

[DarkAxel]

I just saw a twitter post screenshot that was on point as fuck

"Every Death Grips song:
I CUM IN THE FUCK *20 cymbals played at once*"



I still think I hate and love them at the same time

[Invisible Man]

"FUCK YOU I WON'T GROOM HOW YOU TELL ME"

MOTHERFUCKER
UNH

[Invisible Man]

I didn't know Zach was Mexican. Don't know anything about him, really, only ever listened to the band.

I believe what would have given me the impression would be a line in one of RZA's books where he talks about Wu Tang being on tour with Rage and how the other guys in the band were "wondering when they gonna stop touring with these whiteboys" or something to that effect.

My bad, D.o.S.

Although in my defense are dreads a Mexican thing, either?

FYI: Morello identifies as black (he's mixed race), de la Rocha is Chicano, Wilk is...Jewish, I think. Commerford is a straight-up white dude. I mean, technically. The mean skin color on that dude, if you removed all of his skin and put it in a blender, is probably some awful pink/grey. #RAGEsmoothie



But who cares. RATM, as much as I love them, are as problematic as any band despite their seeming self-awareness and class consciousness. Turns out rapping/screaming are not subtle or nuanced enough to convey finer points of the flawed logic of late capitalism and its formative effects on problems of race. Effective method for sloganeering a propagandizing, though, which is about where their political impact should start and end (in my opinion). A great gateway drug...they seem to acknowledge this by photographing a small library of 'subversive' and 'resistant' emancipatory texts in the booklet for Evil Empire. Like...'if you like what we're saying, maybe dive into the real shit.'

Academic plug for anyone who cares: David Roediger is good on this stuff (history of whiteness), as are Luiz Alvarez (zoot suits), Chana Kai Lee, Alex Haley, Cornel West, bell hooks, Michael Denning, Barbara Foley...lots more.

[BitchPudding]

^ Knowledge.

Rage is ok. Better than most. Not my favorite tho. Have to be in the right mood for their shit. Usually on the way to the gig. War music yo.

IDK. I guess I'm just getting less angry off stage as time goes on. Hard to relate with being angry when thats not what I wanna be anymore.

[D.o.S.]

Although in my defense are dreads a Mexican thing, either?

[Jwar]

HAH!

You know what's funny. I always though Zach was Brazilian for some reason. I can remember still learning he wasn't being dumbstruck. I don't even know why I thought that?