Where do we stand on Billy Corgan? //hivemind

[D.o.S.]

[friendship]

Hey guys are we talking about Billy Cor

[rustywire]

Once upon a time, in somewhat recent memory, we humans celebrated diversity by sharing culture with those who were different. Growing up I was taught to appreciate cultural offerings such as cuisine & art from different geographic regions with a variety of indigenous people, immigrants & transplants. Humans love what we know, fear the unknown. FME if you approach a culture with sincerity & respect...curiosity...you're welcomed with open arms. I grew up in a region with high population density & ethnic diversity so maybe by experiencing such variety from youth I was given insight into how much more similar we are than different.

Now I'm being told to celebrate diversity by segregating culture and reducing strangers to stereotypes how dark-skinned people can only identify with dark-skinned people and the same goes for light-skinned people. Women can only identify or empathize with another woman, men with another man, trans with another trans and so on. Only a Jamaican singer can cover a Jamaican song or else it's cultural appropriation. Only a Mexican can open a Mexican restaurant. Every individual is a representative for their skintone. Look at how ridiculous that sounds when you read it in writing, hear it said aloud.

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"There's a bigot in every living room and on every street corner" rings a lot truer than "everyone is racist and sexist" because some people will live their whole lives without seeing another skin tone. Young children don't know racism and sexism... everyone plays together in the sand box unless the group dislikes an individual as being 'not fun to play with'

Additionally, to ANYONE who thinks pale-skinned people have the monopoly on racial prejudice... oppression... and all the mischief in the world... ...............you don't know much about the world or its history. Or human behavior. I don't have guilt or self-loathing because of atrocities committed by others who may have shared a superficial characteristic I didn't choose. It's unflattering enough to share a species with such individuals, but I'm not going to judge an entire diverse species by its undesirables. That's as foolish as judging someone's words while ignoring context and/or actions.

Individuals who see racism/sexism everywhere seem to be inconsistent in their condemnation of it; insistent some people deserve it and some people cant be sexist or racist because of revisionist interpretation of the terms. Shakespeare wrote "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet" so it holds true that bigotry in any form smells just as foul

[lost in music]

Oh, I hate that shit. That's bothersome, but it's gotta be a minority of antiracists. Like, a handful of college student twitter sockpuppets and gawker bloggers or whatever. I don't think the furor over cultural appropriation will last very long or have any sort of chilling impact. Most folks can see that for what it is.

[lost in music]

lol, and at first I thought your nsfw tag was just occluding a picture of billy corgan's head.

[lost in music]

I don't even know why I chimed in on this thread. I like precisely four SP songs and even then more in idea than execution.

[psychic vampire.]

Bc Gish, Siamese Dream, and Mellon Collie are terrific and Billy Corgan is proof that the better the music the worse the person who wrote it.

[lost in music]

Thinking about buying an ebow.

[snipelfritz]

Bc Gish, Siamese Dream, and Mellon Collie are terrific and Billy Corgan is proof that the better the music the worse the person who wrote it.

I feel like I bring it up in every "separating the art from the artist" discussion but Pink Floyd was always my favorite band growing up. Roger Waters basically set the mold for being a famous rockstar douchebag. Heck, that's even the basis of The Wall. Soooooo, yeah, that's about where I was going with that. I'm not even a huge Punkins fan (enjoy/appreciate them from time to time), but I totally get it.

[psychic vampire.]

My Mellon Collie double cassette was an important part of my youth.

[casecandy]

Another thing that should be noted is that he is (well, was) not only a great musician, but also a master of aesthetic.

You watch the videos for "Tonight, Tonight" and "Stand Inside Your Love," and they feel timeless, I think. Which is absurd because they're so pathetically tied to the time in which they came out. But they really have a definite aesthetic that works with the band and the music. Like... to get the look of "Tonight, Tonight" they used actual 1920s cameras. That stuff is fucking important. It does not go unappreciated. Like... you hold a copy of Mellon Collie in your hands and you know it's something. It just fucking looks like something.

Very similar to Kurt Cobain in that regard. Nirvana isn't just a band, it's a whole big mess of crap that includes a band, but also includes anatomy dolls with wings, puppy-dog eyes, smashed offset Fenders, naked babies in swimming pools, scarecrows, gender fluidity, Iron Maiden t-shirts, etc., etc.

[antennafarm]

once upon a time "that's the way life is" (or "black people are racist tooooo") was not a valid excuse to not try and make things better (or are we still raping).

but once upon a time this thread was about billy corgan so what do i know.

[Invisible Man]

It's no fun to argue if we can all agree that everyone's entitled to their own opinions on pieces, though.

+1

Nah, I get it. But...“the more a person concentrates on feeling genuinely, rather on the objective content of what is felt, the more subjectivity becomes an end in itself, the less expressive he can be" (Richard Sennett).

I know people are just fucking around, for the most part, but the politics of arguments (silly or not) are pretty interesting.

[repoman]

i applaud corgans decision to get shit on by snarky internet commentators
he has a real whiney voice i dont like smashing pumpings that much

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edit: im 44 minutes into this vid and corgan hasn't made his point yet largely because alex jones won't shut the fuck up

[bigchiefbc]

Re Billy: A bald sad man in a dress who never abandoned his dream of being a professional wrestler, and accidentally made some good music along the way, but doesn't remember how so now he just fakes it.

Re this thread: an enjoyable read. 9/10.