After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[Mudfuzz]

Lying Ted

EDIT***

While I don't support Trump, I think this guy is spot on about the absurdity of the Left at these Trump events:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3_J9NVZ7w[/youtube]

While I don't want to watch the vid ATM I agree that the protesting is both silly and counter productive in that all it will ever do is strengthen the resolve trumplodytes and waste both energy and time better spend on actually real world ways to not let Trump and friends [that would be Hillary and Cruz beach yes they are and yes they will all drag us down to a south american economic separational template] take total control over our lives. Unless the protesters are actually Trump/Hillary people and do this crap to turn people against being against Trump/Hillary… but on the other hand I know that in the end DOS is right and people are dumb cattle [and no that does not mean I am budging on my stance on the EC because of how it locks us into the current two party system which I cannot see how we will be able to survive in our current state much longer without total collapse].

[Faldoe]

Oh ya. There is the herd mentality everywhere and in every facet of life and in this case: the political realm.

If people thought more and wanted to do away with the rhetoric and the bad policy that the left and right both have, we might get some where.

[John]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AaLG0gnYeI[/youtube]

[snipelfritz]

Oh ya. There is the herd mentality everywhere and in every facet of life and in this case: the political realm.

If people thought more and wanted to do away with the rhetoric and the bad policy that the left and right both have, we might get some where.

Nah, solution is to build good policy up from state and local levels.

Every time I hear people Bitch about the two party system, I feel the need to remind them that Gary Johnson is the most viable third party option and remind them that Gary Johnson is a turd.

[Mudfuzz]

Oh ya. There is the herd mentality everywhere and in every facet of life and in this case: the political realm.

If people thought more and wanted to do away with the rhetoric and the bad policy that the left and right both have, we might get some where.

Nah, solution is to build good policy up from state and local levels.

Every time I hear people Bitch about the two party system, I feel the need to remind them that Gary Johnson is the most viable third party option and remind them that Gary Johnson is a turd.

You only sat this because you need more perspective and to listen to the first part of your own post Plus I would not be for a 4+ party setup over our current system if what we have wasn't so pathetic.

[snipelfritz]

and my extreme bias against libertardians.

I'm naturally wary of "revolution"/demolishing the system without alternative. Power vacuums will always be filled by a pre-established alternative.

[Mudfuzz]

and my extreme bias against libertardians.

I'm naturally wary of "revolution"/demolishing the system without alternative. Power vacuums will always be filled by a pre-established alternative.

there is no actual reason why we only have the two other than people are assholes and sheep, and if people were less so than

[snipelfritz]

So what's the solution/alternative?

[Jwar]

The alternative is creating new systems. Fuck the establishment and the horse it rode in on.

We ought to be able to govern shit state by state, in which case I will run for the hill because I live in Kansas.

I say it's high time for a revolution of sorts. The people of this country are tired of this horse shit we call a government. They are lying, sneaky, stealing bastards that do not give flying fuck about us.


So destroy the system and re-establish with new appointed leaders that the people want.

Also Fuck the Police.


I mean the band.

[Chankgeez]

Stewart Copeland for President

[Mudfuzz]

So what's the solution/alternative?

Start from the bottom. Start electing non Dem/Rep people in the state governments that way you have a balance of power.
The problem:
People actually need to get motivated.
Campaign finance reform must happen.
The voting process actually needs to function.
The electoral collage must either be done away with or held to a actual standard.
for starters.
These are all tangible things that do not involve a good healthy revolution where we decapitate all the 1%ers… shame really...

[Jwar]

So what's the solution/alternative?

Start from the bottom. Start electing non Dem/Rep people in the state governments that way you have a balance of power.
The problem:
People actually need to get motivated.
Campaign finance reform must happen.
The voting process actually needs to function.
The electoral collage must either be done away with or held to a actual standard.
for starters.
These are all tangible things that do not involve a good healthy revolution where we decapitate all the 1%ers… shame really...

All this!!

[D.o.S.]

I mean if Kansas wants to fuck off I've got no problem with that.

[Chankgeez]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGZdNOYrbzY[/youtube]

[snipelfritz]

So what's the solution/alternative?

Start from the bottom. Start electing non Dem/Rep people in the state governments that way you have a balance of power.
The problem:
People actually need to get motivated.
Campaign finance reform must happen.
The voting process actually needs to function.
The electoral collage must either be done away with or held to a actual standard.
for starters.
These are all tangible things that do not involve a good healthy revolution where we decapitate all the 1%ers… shame really...

Yes, good stuff. I agree the political class does need a shake up. Of course, that won't stop people from being dumb. Democracy is a check to power and needs to do its job better lately. However, it isn't a tool of good decision making.

I like The Police and Kansas (tehran bandz).