METALCORE NOSTALGIA ALERT

[Mudfuzz]

Are they "post"? I thought they were basically considered second wave NYHC?

Technically they are the band metalcore was originally used in major print to describe in about 94-96ish, but yeah post HC, 2nd wave and shit have also been used to describe them.. I'm just happy that they are not well known anymore so we can use the biohazard symbol for what it is suppose to be for industrial music and zombies

[PeteeBee]

Yeah to me metalcore is techy riffs and phat breakdowns. I always considered TFOT a technical screamo/skrams band. All terms I try to avoid nowadays, but helpful to avoid confusion in this area.

[Jero]

This is kind of what comes to mind when I think of metalcore.
I could have found a better example but the bass player in this video is from the town I live in and used to have an awesome pop punk band
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI3CF3CkYKM[/youtube]

OH GOD DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS TRASH???
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5vXuVrG08k[/youtube]

I didn't think so, but then I played it and knew every word...

[SPACERITUAL]

OH GOD DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS TRASH???
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5vXuVrG08k[/youtube]

I didn't think so, but then I played it and knew every word...

HAAAA

[Jero]

OH GOD DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS TRASH???
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5vXuVrG08k[/youtube]

I didn't think so, but then I played it and knew every word...

HAAAA

I shuffled through the rest of the album and didnt recognize any others...so that's a plus! That had to be on a compilation or an ex gf's playlist or something

[casecandy]

Thoughts

ONE

I don't "remember" Juliana Theory, I still actively listen to Juliana Theory. Emotion Is Dead is one of my favourite albums. I don't get mad when you call my favourite bands trash anymore. They do not need you or your opinions to be good. They just are good, even with you out there, impotently hating them somewhere. I can definitely see how you might call it trash because it is pretty "produced" and poppy but I just have too many memories to it for me to ever not like it. Now... I know, I know, you hate how people see music as a soundtrack to their life, and you stole your teacher's autographed Creed photo and put it in the bathroom and she got mad at you, etc., but for me, music very much is a soundtrack to my life, and that is a legitimate way of listening to and interacting with music (cf. High Fidelity, "Alphabetical?" "No. Autobiographical.") and you're just going to have to suck it up, Florida Man. I for one really dig walking down the street like meme Leo [ link ] singing, "We're at the top of the world/You and I/We've got a lot of time/And it sure feels fine/Cos you reached in your pocket/And pulled out a pass/Says you can take me anywhere" at the top of my lungs. Because when i met my wife she and I were listening to it a lot and it in all its resplendent insipidity perfectly encapsulated my contemporary fee-fees.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQvOnDlql5g[/youtube]

TWO

The only problem I have with metalcore is the term has been used to diatribe two totally different "styles" of metal, so depending on how old you are means it either is stuff like the OP or what evoked Nu-metal…

i feel the same about post-hardcore... i only realized a couple of years ago what most people actually think that term means and it sure as hell isn't what i was using it for. *shiver*

Its disgusting how thrice appropriated post-hardcore culture to justify their slightly more edgy ataris schtick.

A few thoughts...

(a) The nü-metal kind of metalcore is a musical footnote whereas the "newer" kind of metalcore as typified by Converge is a musical institution. So I don't see a problem in assuming that people are referring to the latter.

(b) The mid-1990s were the turning point for the definition of post-hardcore. In the 1980s the term could be used to indicate bands whose major inspiration was hardcore, but who rejected the rigidity of hardcore musicality and ideology for a greater amount of expression. However, after the 1990s, after Fugazi, Quicksand, and Drive Like Jehu having all released genre-defining albums, the term essentially refers to the heavier crop of emo bands. I was born in 1986 and came into my own musically in the early 2000s. To me the defining post-hardcore albums would be At The Drive-In's Relationship of Command, Glassjaw's Worship & Tribute, Thrice's The Artist In The Ambulance, etc. Hope that explains the change. Basically it shifted from Steve Albini to Ian MacKaye.

(c) Thrice are fucking awesome. They sound nothing like The Ataris, whose biggest and best contribution to Western music is, to this day, a Don Henley cover. Thrice have two certified scene classics under their belt (The Illusion of Safety and The Artist In The Ambulance) and the album that followed those (Vheissu) is a low-key masterpiece. They remain an influential and respected post-hardcore act. Their new song is admittedly quite underwhelming.

[ChetMagongalo]

this thread had me revisit some old from first to last, actually not as bad as I thought it would be. I was super into Fall of troy 9 years ago, found out about tera melos through them, then everything changed for me. everything FoT did after manipulator sucked, Thomas Erak is also kind of an asshole and only knows how to play in one key. I'm actually amazed at how little his playing and songwriting have improved over the years.