Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the modulator masses

[echorec]

It looks like Black Cat's tribute to the Maestro may return soon.

[Eivind August]

Nice!

[Chankgeez]

I like this dude's channel a lot:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2FWdEayDk[/youtube]

That ring mod may not be real enough for lordgalvar, but I still think it sounds pretty good.

[lordgalvar]

Haha, I ain't that much of a purist... That is similar to a lot of them on the market. Sounds nice. I forgot about that dude though!

http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-fi ... od_140.pdf article from the 1970s



Sorry about the big picture....but a bode ring mod. And it looks like there was some kind of built in compression/limiting to create balance.

Hard to read schems of the bode ring mod http://www.matrixsynth.com/2014/10/haro ... g.html?m=1

More Harold Bode (just in case):
http://120years.net/the-melochordharald ... rmany1947/

[Chankgeez]

Yeah, Bode is awesome. I still want a frequency shifter.

Skimmed that article, good find.

[lordgalvar]

Heck yea! Didn't know about the symphonies*:

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3YBKQeQztg8[/youtube]

I like ring mod.

* I am from Bakersfield. We don't do "high art" haha.

[Chankgeez]

Sounds like he's using ring mod here, but you can never really be sure w/ Sun Ra:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7k7lmdM3w[/youtube]

Here too?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HG8HWpQuvs[/youtube]

[lordgalvar]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URkens-9izw[/youtube]

Maybe?

[Chankgeez]

Yeah, Sun Ra liked a lot of "chime-y" keyboards.

He is listed as playing a Moog synth on that record though.

This one definitely sounds like ring mod (or something) :

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGy_PmY6Ny0[/youtube]

[lordgalvar]

1970...minimoog was out in some form. It had an input, but no ring mod (at least I don't think...

So, probably some form of FM using the dedicated percussionist. My first thought was something like a marimba...they probably mic'd it up and ran it through the synth. The second sound sounds like a chimey high octave oscillator, probably also FM'd.

That is what I think in the first track at least.

Second one is a bunch of different stuff. Sounds like every instrument was ran through something on a synth at some point. Studio stuff and layering.

Says on Wikipedia that Bob Moog gave him a proto minimoog...so I am guessing that a model b or c was what was used. C looks identical almost to the D (production). B looks like it might have added controls by the filter controls...but I doubt they are ring mod. The model A (long shot as the one used) looks like it may have a ring mod on the front panel...haven't found good photos yet.

But who knows? Haha

[Chankgeez]

Yeah, I'll stop posting Sun Ra stuff in this thread. Too difficult to tell what he was actually using.

[jrfox92]

Since I haven't managed to read through the whole thread but I want to follow, I'll just add this.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw4puYO087w[/youtube]

[lordgalvar]

This one definitely sounds like ring mod (or something) :

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGy_PmY6Ny0[/youtube]

Sounds like FM maybe.


Minimoog FM:
[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlJjNTspPVc[/youtube]

Minimoog external input:
[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uAhZUJXStn8[/youtube]

Granted, we do know Sun-Ra wasnot using the model D in 1970 and was using one of the prototypes.

More Sun-Ra maybe ring mod posts please! I'm going to get to the bottom of it...haha

[Chankgeez]

I'll post more Sun Ra. You don't have to twist my arm.

I just did a Google search for: Sun Ra Ring Modulator

and this came up as the second result: https://books.google.com/books?id=5xW0K ... or&f=false

this came up as the first because of a comment on the vid:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_nAmESsO0k[/youtube]

… and also, in honor of Clara Rockmore's birthday, here's this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTVGxIIRdrM[/youtube]

[crochambeau]

As an aside, here are a couple of the strange finds that do modulation work in my studio. This A R Vetter stuff was purpose built as an analog tape solution to a paper chart recorder, since recording DC (or AC only over a period long enough to share the attributes of DC) signals is highly problematic on what amounts to audio tape, the incoming signal is modulated into a higher AC frequency that is printed to tape, then on playback it's demodulated and output as original. At least, that's the theory - I haven't fed it anything other than audio signals, which do come back full of carrier bleed. Doubly fun is sticking a normally recorded tape onto it and letting that rip, especially since the tape speed range is so huge.



I couldn't resist buying another of their units, this is like three poorly tuned lofi leaky ring mods running in parallel. It's truly primitive and honestly doesn't hold a candle to a well tuned audio ring mod, but it's not without it's charm, and DC pass through results in some mighty apparent low end smear.