Ditto x4!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Olin]

What does the x4 have over the DL4. The ability to import loops into a DAW and effects? Anything else?

MIDI input. MIDI is a pretty great thing to have on a looper if perfect synchronisation is your thing; being able to hook up your drum machine or sampler or whatever and know that you'll always be in time is pretty neat.

[Pop]

Hey can everyone help me e-mail TC and let them know that the "Once" function on the FX is bullshit. It just makes the loop play once. I thought it would be a one shot feature... they named it pretty bad. If you look at the DL-4, it says PLAY ONCE, which you can do, but you can also make it repeat whenever you hit the switch. You can't do this on the Ditto x4, but you SHOULD be able to, because if you play a loop and hit STOP, it will just play once anyway, and then stop. So the "ONCE" feature as it is is redundant and useless.

So it could REALLY EASILY be fixed if they fix the firmware or whatever to make it so you can trigger the repeat of the loop whenever you want. THEN the Ditto x4 would be excellent.

Come on help.

[indianDYsummer]

Does anyone know if the ditto x2 or x4 does tempo recognition or compensation for not tapping at the perfect time? I am trying to understand why I can loop WAY better with the ditto than with my EHX 360. I seemingly cannot get the 360 to finish sampling on the right beat. The ditto is a piece of cake, and I didn't have issues with my Strymon timeline either.

I wonder if you're having the same issue I did with the 720, which I detailed this morning in the Show Your Pedalboard thread:

The 720 is superior to the Ditto X2 in a lot of ways, but the footswitch is a huge difference that it took me awhile to figure out. On the X2 you can loop on the 1 (in a typical 4 count or 8 count or whatever), but with the 720, you actually hit the footswitch on the 4 or 8 or whatever the last count would be of the sequence you are looping (or on 0 if that makes more sense to your brain). It's a little weird to get used to when I've been using the Ditto and X2 for years, you definitely have to think a little more (or I do ).

Interesting.. I'll give that a try! Thanks

[elevenstrings]

I got mine today. So if anyone has any questions on how it works, go ahead and ask.

No manual was included with mine (just a quick start guide) and there is not one posted online - so I have no idea what the MIDI Spec is... the dipswitches aren't even explained in the packaging anywhere that I can see. I'm gonna have to watch one of the videos again for that.

Works well enough... though it is very simple - and some of the cool stuff you can do on a Boomerang III just can be done as far as I can tell. For example with the 2 loops going there is no way to make one stay normal speed and have the other go reverse/half-speed/hold etc. - the fx work on both tracks as if they were one.

Also, as posted above Once just plays the loop once and stops... doesn't do the DL4 start over thing. The Stutter/Hold is always the same amount of time.... the Fade Out length depends on how long the loop is. (short loop = quick fade, long loop = long fade)

[doommeow]

I got mine today. So if anyone has any questions on how it works, go ahead and ask.

Multiple FX at once?

the dipswitches aren't even explained in the packaging anywhere that I can see. I'm gonna have to watch one of the videos again for that.

That's covered on the TC website....

DIP switch modes
The four modes let you decide how you want your Ditto to react, so this is where you make Ditto X4 Looper inherently yours. Switch 1 changes the default Record – Play – Overdub order to Record – Overdub – Play. Switch 2 changes the default overdub mode from being instant to starting at the end of your loop cycle. Switch 3 lets you switch between your loops instantly or at the end of a loop cycle in serial mode. Switch 4 changes the looper from true bypass to buffered bypass.

with the 2 loops going there is no way to make one stay normal speed and have the other go reverse/half-speed/hold etc. - the fx work on both tracks as if they were one.

Are you holding down both/two footswitches? In one of the demos we see them hold down two switches to apply the FX, I'd hope/conjecture that holding down the Loop1 and FX switches applies FX to Loop 1, holding the Loop2 and FX switches applies to Loop2, and only using the FX switch applies the FX globally?

[ritz]

Can you stop/start one loop while the other keeps playing?

Are you holding down both/two footswitches? In one of the demos we see them hold down two switches to apply the FX, I'd hope/conjecture that holding down the Loop1 and FX switches applies FX to Loop 1, holding the Loop2 and FX switches applies to Loop2, and only using the FX switch applies the FX globally?

Yeah I remember that in the video. How on earth you are supposed to hit two switches at once unless you are sitting down?? So awkward.

[elevenstrings]

Multiple FX at once?

Yeah, you can do that. I can reverse something, then half speed it, then while it's playing backwards and 1/2 speed I can hit hold and the backwards half-speed thing will stutter. Though, 1/2 speed and double speed cancel each other out... which makes sense.

That's covered on the TC website....

DIP switch modes
The four modes let you decide how you want your Ditto to react, so this is where you make Ditto X4 Looper inherently yours. Switch 1 changes the default Record – Play – Overdub order to Record – Overdub – Play. Switch 2 changes the default overdub mode from being instant to starting at the end of your loop cycle. Switch 3 lets you switch between your loops instantly or at the end of a loop cycle in serial mode. Switch 4 changes the looper from true bypass to buffered bypass.

Thanks, I don't think that description is right at least for switches 2 and 3.

Are you holding down both/two footswitches? In one of the demos we see them hold down two switches to apply the FX, I'd hope/conjecture that holding down the Loop1 and FX switches applies FX to Loop 1, holding the Loop2 and FX switches applies to Loop2, and only using the FX switch applies the FX globally?

Holds (as opposed to a quick tap) on the Loop 1 and Loop 2 stomps are reserved for undo/redo.

Simultaneously hitting FX & Loop 1 (two feet) or FX &Loop2 (two feet) just makes both loops have the FX.

Holding FX down (as opposed to a quick tap) doesn't do anything different than just tapping it.

Can you stop/start one loop while the other keeps playing?

You can in Sync mode. (serial mode will alternate to the other loop).

If you want to stop just one loop instead of both you have to do it like the old Ditto and stomp x2 on the loop you want to stop.

If you step on the stop stomp it always stops both (and if you hold your foot on it, it clears the memory).

[Pop]

I wrote to TC about the "Once" feature. They didn't answer anything specifically, just said they'd pass along the info to their development team.

I like everything about it except:

1. The Once feature needs to be updated to one-shot (DL-4 style).

2. The Hold feature needs to have a way to adjust the repeat time.


That's it. Hopefully TC will provide an update sometime soon. They also said the manual would be posted "soon".

[doommeow]

Well, I caved. Incoming.

[AZX309]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1eldsUDEU[/youtube]

a bit more detail on the X4

[elevenstrings]

At 6:15 - I'm calling bullshit. There's is no tap tempo in the hold effect at least on the ones that are shipping now, it's a locked stutter speed no matter how fast/slow you tap your foot.

Though, it would be cool if they updated it to work that way.

[Pop]

At 6:15 - I'm calling bullshit. There's is no tap tempo in the hold effect at least on the ones that are shipping now, it's a locked stutter speed no matter how fast/slow you tap your foot.

Though, it would be cool if they updated it to work that way.

Actually dude, I tried that on mine and I'm SURPRISED but it worked! You have to give it a good couple taps, maybe even three, to get it to do what you want. You kinda have to treat it like a real tap tempo. It's not SPOT ON, but it works. To do faster ones, you can just to a quick CLICKCLICK and it will be super fast. Then if you give it a good slow three CLICK ------------ CLICK ------------ CLICK ------------ HOLD... it will do it at a much slower tempo.

That function is actually pretty brilliant. I was miffed that it was seemingly only one rate but this fixes it!

NOW

NOW

...if they'll just update the goddamn ONCE feature to do one-shot, this would be the best looper in the UNIVERSE (for me at least).

Come on friends! Let's all join Pop and e-mail TC and be annoying and tell them to update the ONCE to one-shot!

[Inconuucl]

Definitely. 8D I want DL4's weird oneshots.

[Pop]

P.S.

What exactly would you call that "style" of looping effect? Like what the DL4 does, where you can play it once, but then play it again from the beginning whenever you want. Sort of hip-hop stuttering kinda thing.

I call it "one-shot", but I wouldn't want that to be confused with "play once". I just don't want to confuse the gentle folks at TC. What does everyone else call the DL4 loop stutter thing?

[neonblack]

I believe it's one-shot with retriggering.